Solving Gradient Problem (c): LHS ≠ RHS

[NewtonApple]

Homework Statement

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Solving part (c) which should be
\overrightarrow{r}.(\nabla.\overrightarrow{r)}\neq\left(r\nabla\right)r

2. Homework Equations

Let \nabla=\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}

and \overrightarrow{r}=x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}
r = \mid r\mid=\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution

Consider left side of the inequality.

Now \nabla.\overrightarrow{r}=<br /> (\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}<br /> ).\left(x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}\right)=\frac{\partial x}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial z}=1+1+1=3

L.H.S. =\overrightarrow{r}.(\nabla.\overrightarrow{r})

L.H.S. = \left(\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\right).3=3\overrightarrow{r}


Now consider right side of the inequality.

\left(r\nabla\right)=\left(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}\right)\left(\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\right)

\left(r\nabla\right) =\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}

\left(r\nabla\right)=\hat{i}\frac{2x}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}\frac{2y}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}\frac{2z}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

\left(r\nabla\right)=<br /> \hat{i}x\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}y\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}z\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

\left(r\nabla\right)=\frac{x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}

R.H.S. =r\left(r\nabla\right)=\left(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}\right)\frac{x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}=\overrightarrow{r}

Hence L.H.S. \neq R.H.S.

 

[vela]

Homework Statement

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Solving part (c) which should be
\overrightarrow{r}.(\nabla.\overrightarrow{r)}\neq\left(r\nabla\right)r

That still can't be right. See below.

Consider left side of the inequality.

Now \nabla.\overrightarrow{r}=<br /> (\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}<br /> ).\left(x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}\right)=\frac{\partial x}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial y}{\partial y}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial z}=1+1+1=3

L.H.S. =\overrightarrow{r}.(\nabla.\overrightarrow{r})

L.H.S. = \left(\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\right).3=3\overrightarrow{r}

Your last line is incorrect. You found $\nabla\cdot\vec{r} = 3$, so you should have $\vec{r}\cdot(\nabla\cdot\vec{r}) = \vec{r}\cdot 3$, which doesn't make sense because you can't dot a vector with a scalar.

Now consider right side of the inequality.

\left(r\nabla\right)=\left(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}\right)\left(\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\right)

\left(r\nabla\right) =\hat{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}

You can't change the order of $r$ and $\nabla$. The expression on the RHS is equal to $\nabla r$, not $r \nabla$.

\left(r\nabla\right)=\hat{i}\frac{2x}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}\frac{2y}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}\frac{2z}{2}\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

\left(r\nabla\right)=<br /> \hat{i}x\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{j}y\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}+\hat{k}z\left(x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}\right)^{-\frac{1}{2}}

\left(r\nabla\right)=\frac{x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}

What you actually calculated is $\nabla r = \hat{r}$. It's not for nothing, however, as you need this to correctly evaluate the righthand side.

R.H.S. =r\left(r\nabla\right)=\left(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}\right)\frac{x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}}=\overrightarrow{r}

Hence L.H.S. \neq R.H.S.

The RHS you started with was $r\nabla r$. At the end, you incorrectly say it's $r(r\nabla)$.

 

[NewtonApple]

Thx Vela! I'll give it another try.

There is a misprint in the problem statement.

I think (c) part should be \overrightarrow{r}.(\nabla.\overrightarrow{r)}\neq\left(r\nabla\right)r
Are you OK with it?

 

[vela]

No.

 

[haruspex]

$r = \mid r\mid=\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}$

In the photocopied text, all occurrences of 'r' are in bold, implying vectors.

 

[BvU]

In your chapter 1 in the Chow book, under "Formulas involving $\nabla$ " , you find $\nabla\cdot {\bf r} = 3$ and $({\bf A}\cdot \nabla){\bf r} = {\bf A}$ for A any differentiable vector field function. Substituting ${\bf A} = {\bf r}$ gives $({\bf r}\cdot \nabla){\bf r} = {\bf r}$.

${\bf r} \cdot (\nabla\cdot {\bf r})$ would be a vector dotted into a scalar. Doesn't make sense.

And in $({\bf r} \nabla){\bf r} = {\bf r}$ the $({\bf r} \nabla){\bf r}$ (without the $\cdot$ ) could be a matrix for all we know.

As in 1.18(b), mr Chow seems to be a bit sloppy, or at least inconsistent with his notation. Best I can make of it is that he wants you to prove that
${\bf r} \; (\nabla\cdot {\bf r}) \ne ({\bf r} \cdot \nabla)\;{\bf r}$, which by now should be a piece of cake for you :)