Solving Impossible Integral for MS Thesis - Civil Engineering

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The discussion revolves around solving a specific integral related to a master's thesis in Civil Engineering. The integral involves a polynomial function and its derivatives, and participants are providing various approaches and suggestions for solving it.

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  • JRautenb presents an integral involving a function E(x) and the second derivative of u(x), seeking assistance with the problem.
  • One participant suggests that the integral can be simplified by expanding the polynomial and integrating term by term, implying that it should not be difficult.
  • Another participant recommends using an online integrator tool to solve the integral, indicating a straightforward approach.
  • A further reply agrees with the previous suggestions, providing a detailed breakdown of the second derivative u''(x) and its square, and reiterates that the integral can be treated as a polynomial integration.

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Participants generally agree that the integral can be approached through polynomial expansion and standard integration techniques. However, there is no consensus on the specific challenges faced by JRautenb, as some participants downplay the difficulty of the integral.

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The discussion does not address any specific assumptions or limitations regarding the integral or the functions involved. The complexity of the integral may depend on the values of the constants involved, which are not specified.

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Hello all,

I'm working on a problem related to my MS thesis (in Civil Engineering, not mathematics). I have come across an integral on which I have spent entirely too long.

If I could get some pointers, I'd greatly appreciate it.


[tex]\int [E(x) \cdot (u''(x))^2 \cdot dx][/tex]


It is a definite integral over the length, L, of a beam, but that doesn't really matter too much.
E(x) = Eo*(1+x/L) with Eo and L being constants
u(x) = a2*x^2+a3*x^3+a4*x^4 with a1, a2, a3, and a4 being constants
u''(x) is the second derivative of u(x) with respect to x.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
JRautenb
 
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I'm not sure why you're having trouble here -- according to the definitions of E and u you have given, the integrand is a polynomial. Just expand the polynomial and integrate term by term, and don't worry about doing anything fancy.
 
just look up the wolfram integrator online, and do it there.
 
I agree with citan. There's nothing difficult there at all.

Derivating u(x) gives [tex]u''(x)=12 \cdot [a4] \cdot x^2+6 \cdot [a3] \cdot x[/tex]

[tex](u''(x))^2=144 \cdot [a4]^2 \cdot x^4+144 \cdot [a4] \cdot [a3]x^2+36 \cdot [a3]^2 \cdot x^2[/tex]

Multiply this with your E(x) (and E(x) is simplified to Eo + (Eo/L)*x).

Then you simply integrate it as you would with any polynomial. Remember adding the constant at the end of the integration.
 

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