Solving Kepler's Problem: Awkward Integration

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The discussion revolves around a specific step in solving Kepler's problem, particularly focusing on an integral involving the potential energy function U=-α/r. Participants are exploring the integration process and the resulting expression for φ, which involves inverse trigonometric functions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the integration step leading to φ and questions the characterization of the integration as "elementary."
  • Another participant suggests checking the derivative of the resulting expression and notes that inverse trigonometric functions often arise in integrals involving square roots.
  • A different participant proposes examining the derivative of the arccos function and suggests a potential variable substitution to simplify the integration process.
  • There is a mention of the possibility that the integral might be evaluated in polar coordinates, which could clarify the presence of the square in the upper r.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the integration step, with ongoing questions and suggestions for alternative approaches remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the assumptions made in the integration process, particularly concerning the treatment of the square in the upper r and the coordinate system used.

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Readers interested in classical mechanics, specifically those studying orbital dynamics and the mathematical techniques involved in solving related problems.

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Hi,
I'm reading up on Kepler's problem at the moment, and there's a step in the book that I don't understand.

Starting off with the equation of the path \phi=\int\frac{M dr/r^2}{\sqrt{2m[E-U(r)]-M^2/r^2}}+\mbox{constant}

The step involves subbing in U=-\alpha/r, 'and effecting elementary integration' to get
\phi=\cos^{-1}\frac{(M/r)-(m\alpha/M)}{\sqrt{(2mE+\frac{m^2\alpha^2}{M^2}})}+\mbox{constant}

But it doesn't look very elementary to me:confused:

Does anyone have any idea?

Thanks.
 
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First of all you could take the derivative of the thing and check the answer.

Did you check the derivative of arccos? The inverse trig functions often come up when you take integrals of square roots. I am a bit unsure about the square on the upper r. If it weren't there you could complete the square under the square root. Then do a variable substitution and integrate. The result should look very similar to the one you show.

Is the integral done in polar coordinates by any chance? That would help with the square.
 
find

\frac{d}{dx} \cos ^{-1} (f(x))

Then find

\frac{d}{dr} \frac{\left(\frac{M}{r}-m \frac{\alpha }{M}\right)}{\sqrt{2 m E+\left(m \frac{\alpha }{M}\right)^2}}
 
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