Solving Limits: Finding a & b When x Approaches 0

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The discussion revolves around a limits problem where the limit as x approaches 0 of a given expression is equal to √5. Participants are tasked with deducing the values of a and b from this limit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their attempts to manipulate the expression by multiplying by the conjugate and express confusion about the correctness of their fractions. There are questions about how to cancel terms to resolve the limit and whether certain steps are valid.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and corrections regarding the manipulation of the expression, particularly focusing on the importance of ensuring the denominator does not equal zero. There is an acknowledgment of a potential value for a based on these hints, but the discussion remains open-ended with no consensus on the next steps.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement that the limit must be approached correctly and the implications of the denominator being non-zero. There is also a mention of a shared experience with similar problems among participants.

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Homework Statement



I'm doing an assignment, and I've hit a wall with this limits question:

6. If the limit as x approaches 0 of [URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP202919ggbg4de783c0e7000024ba5hah2cdg59e6?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=14&w=106&h=41[/URL] equals \sqrt{5}, deduce the values of a and b.


The Attempt at a Solution



So far, I've multiplied the numerator and denominator by the conjugate, and now I have [PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP231719ggb7fd1fig87b800001ie7f55ge9hc9190?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=9&w=106&h=42. I've tried squaring the bottom and the top and expanding them out, but I'm just spinning my wheels at this point, I don't really know how to proceed. I would appreciate any hints you could give me, thanks in advance.
 
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cripple said:

Homework Statement



I'm doing an assignment, and I've hit a wall with this limits question:

6. If the limit as x approaches 0 of [URL]http://www2.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP202919ggbg4de783c0e7000024ba5hah2cdg59e6?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=14&w=106&h=41[/URL] equals \sqrt{5}, deduce the values of a and b.

The Attempt at a Solution



So far, I've multiplied the numerator and denominator by the conjugate, and now I have [PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP231719ggb7fd1fig87b800001ie7f55ge9hc9190?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=9&w=106&h=42. I've tried squaring the bottom and the top and expanding them out, but I'm just spinning my wheels at this point, I don't really know how to proceed. I would appreciate any hints you could give me, thanks in advance.

Are the fractions in the images correct? Because if I multiply
(\sqrt{a+bx}-\sqrt{5})(\sqrt{a+bx}+\sqrt{5})
I get
a + bx - 5,
and that's not what's in the numerator of the 2nd image.
 
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Sorry, I left out this part -[PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP157319ggbcc94ih84dd300005ia505e2i20325d5?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=24&w=126&h=46 - that's what I got after multiplying by the conjugate, then I tried to cancel the x to get rid of the division by zero at the limit
 
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cripple said:
[PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP231719ggb7fd1fig87b800001ie7f55ge9hc9190?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=9&w=106&h=42[/QUOTE]

Are you from University of Auckland? My friend from Auckland had the exact same problem. Anyways...

You multiplied incorrectly. After multiplying by the conjugate, you get:

(a+bx-5)/(x√(a+bx)+√5))

The only way this will approach a limit is if you manage to cancel out the x on the bottom. The only way to do that is to get the fraction to have the form x/x.
 
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You mean that you tried to cancel the x going from this:
[PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP157319ggbcc94ih84dd300005ia505e2i20325d5?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=24&w=126&h=46
to this?
[PLAIN]http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP231719ggb7fd1fig87b800001ie7f55ge9hc9190?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=9&w=106&h=42
If so, then you can't do that.
 
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Harrisonized said:
Are you from University of Auckland? My friend from Auckland had the exact same problem. Anyways...

You multiplied incorrectly. After multiplying by the conjugate, you get:

(a+bx-5)/(x√(a+bx)+√5))

The only way this will approach a limit is if you manage to cancel out the x on the bottom. The only way to do that is to get the fraction to have the form x/x.
I did this step, I should have included it in the OP. anyway yes I am from Auckland University, I am terrible at maths but decided to do 108 anyway, which is starting to look like it may have been a mistake:smile:
 


Thanks eumyang, I'll try again.
 


Hint (copied directly from your assignment): Multiply the numerator and denominator by the conjugate and remember that the denominator can not be zero.

The bolded part means that a=5.
 


Thanks Harrisonized, didn't realize the hint about the denominator meant a=5
 
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So how do we deduce that a=5 from that? I am at this step: (a+bx-5)/(x√(a+bx)+√5))
but unsure how to move forward from there.
 

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