Solving Limits of Sums: Ideas Needed

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The discussion centers around evaluating the limit of a sum as \( x \) approaches infinity, specifically the expression \( \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{j=0}^x e^{-j/x} \). Participants explore different approaches to this limit, including the use of the integral test and comparisons of terms within the sum.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the jth term approaches 1 for any \( j \), implying that the sum diverges to infinity.
  • Another participant expands the sum and argues that it contains \( N + 1 \) terms, with the smallest term being \( 1/e \), leading to a lower bound for the sum of \( (N + 1)(1/e) \).
  • A later reply questions the validity of the inequality \( \sum_{i = 0}^N e^{-i/N} \geq (N + 1)(1/e) \) and asks if it is a general statement or specific to this case.
  • There is a correction from a participant who acknowledges a previous misstatement about convergence and confirms that the expression diverges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views regarding whether the expression converges or diverges, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes uncertainty about the application of the inequality and the conditions under which it holds, as well as differing interpretations of the behavior of the sum as \( N \) increases.

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I'm stuck on how to approach the following problem.

[tex] lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{j=0} ^x e^{-j/x}[/tex]

Does anyone have any ideas?
 
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It looks to me that the jth term -> 1 for any j, which makes the sum divergent to ∞.
 
Looks like infinity to me. Expanding your sum gives
[tex]e^0 + e^{-1/N} +e^{-2/N} + ... + e^{-N/N}[/tex]
In this expression there are N + 1 terms, the smallest of which is 1/e.

So,
[tex]\sum_{i = 0}^N e^{-i/N} \geq (N + 1)(1/e)[/tex]

As N gets larger, so does (N + 1)/e.
 
Thanks you both for your replies. You are right, the expression does converge, as the integral test seems to varify.

Mark, I have one quick question. Could you explain why
[tex] \sum_{i = 0}^N e^{-i/N} \geq (N + 1)(1/e)[/tex]

Is this a general statement or does it only apply in this case.

Thank you again.
 
Apteronotus said:
Thanks you both for your replies. You are right, the expression does converge, as the integral test seems to varify.
No, what mathman and I are saying is that the expression diverges.
Apteronotus said:
Mark, I have one quick question. Could you explain why
[tex] \sum_{i = 0}^N e^{-i/N} \geq (N + 1)(1/e)[/tex]

Is this a general statement or does it only apply in this case.
This statement applies to your sum. For each value of N, there are N + 1 terms being added. The smallest of these terms is 1/e, so we know that the sum has to be at least (N + 1) times 1/e, which is (N + 1)/e.
 
Yes, I meant to say diverges.
Thanks again for the thorough explanation.
 

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