Solving Linear ODEs: How to Obtain the Highlighted 1?

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The discussion revolves around solving linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and specifically addresses the integration process and the use of integrating factors. Participants are trying to understand how to derive certain expressions and clarify the role of initial conditions in the context of these equations.

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  • Participants explore the integration of terms involving an integrating factor and question the disappearance of variables during the process. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the integrating factor and the original equation, as well as the significance of initial conditions in the solution.

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How to obtain the "1" highlighted?

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multiply by μ then by dt (integration )to both sides

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lets just consider part "2y/t":

∫2y/t from pi/2 to t
=ln(t^2/(pi^2/4)) from pi/2 to t
=ln1-ln(t^2/(pi^2/4))
= -ln(t^2/(pi^2/4))

how can I obtain the "1" highlighted?
Thank you very much
 

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yecko said:
2y/t from pi/2 to t
=ln(t^2/(pi^2/4)) from pi/2 to t
=ln1-ln(t^2/(pi^2/4))
= -ln(t^2/(pi^2/4))
This is not correct. Where did your ##y## go? You need to use the integrating factor.
 
Isnt the I.F. used in the front as a multiple of whole thing, and the back thing? How is it related to part 2y/t? Also, why is it the initial value which is 1? Thanks
 
yecko said:
as a multiple of whole thing, and the back thing
Please be more specific. It is impossible to understand what you mean by this.

An integrating factor ##\mu(t)## for a linear differential equation of the form ##y'(t) + g(t) y(t) = h(t)## is a function such that ##d(y\mu)/dt = \mu(t) y'(t) + \mu'(t) y(t) = \mu(t) [y'(t) + g(t) y(t)]##. This allows you to rewrite the entire differential equation as ##z'(t) = \mu(t) h(t)##, where ##z(t) = \mu(t) y(t)## and the left-hand side is trivial to integrate. Your full solution then follows from integrating the right-hand side and dividing by ##\mu(t)##. Do not forget any integration constants that will later be needed in order to adapt your solution to the boundary conditions.
 
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Orodruin said:
d(yμ)/dt=μ(t)y′(t)+μ′(t)y(t)=μ(t)[y′(t)+g(t)y(t)]d(yμ)/dt=μ(t)y′(t)+μ′(t)y(t)=μ(t)[y′(t)+g(t)y(t)]d(y\mu)/dt = \mu(t) y'(t) + \mu'(t) y(t) = \mu(t) [y'(t) + g(t) y(t)].
Orodruin said:
z′(t)=μ(t)h(t)

ok, let me be more specific...
after looking at more examples, I found that almost the whole chapter use equation like this:
for y'+f(t)y=g(t), y(to)=yo
calculation: y(t)=(1/μ(t)) ∫ {from to to t} [yo+∫(g(t)μ(t))dt]
why is it yo?
Thanks
 
yecko said:
ok, let me be more specific...
after looking at more examples, I found that almost the whole chapter use equation like this:
for y'+f(t)y=g(t), y(to)=yo
calculation: y(t)=(1/μ(t)) ∫ {from to to t} [yo+∫(g(t)μ(t))dt]
why is it yo?
Thanks

I hope that no book you are using wrote that equation; it is 100% wrong.
 
Ray Vickson said:
I hope that no book you are using wrote that equation; it is 100% wrong.
this is the relationship i have found from all those example, but i have got no clues on how to prove out the part regarding f(t)...
yecko said:
multiply by μ then by dt (integration )to both sides
this is my method on trying to prove out for y'+f(t)y=g(t), y(to)=yo ==> y(t)=(1/μ(t)) ∫ {from to to t} [yo+∫(g(t)μ(t))dt]
is it wrong?
thanks
 
yecko said:
is it wrong?
You are most likely copying it wrong. You have
$$
\frac{d(y\mu)}{dt} = \mu(t) g(t).
$$
Integrating this from ##t = t_0## to ##t## leads to
$$
y(t)\mu(t) - y(t_0) \mu(t_0) = \int_{t_0}^t \mu(s) g(s) ds.
$$
Solving for ##y(t)## leads to
$$
y(t) = \frac{1}{\mu(t)} \left[y_0 \mu(t_0) + \int_{t_0}^t \mu(s)g(s) ds\right].
$$
 
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Thank you for your help.. can I ask one more question on the topic?

Question:
A tank originally contains 100 gal of fresh water. Then water containing 1/2 lb of salt per gallon is poured into the tank at a rate of 2 gal/min, and the mixture is allowed to leave at the same rate. After 10 min the process is stopped, and fresh water is poured into the tank at a rate of 2 gal/min, with the mixture again leaving at the same rate. Find the amount salt in the tank at the end of an additional 10 min.

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How can the two highlighted part obtain?

Orodruin said:
y(t)=1μ(t)[y0μ(t0)+∫tt0μ(s)g(s)ds].
My attempt: I have tried to substitute the formula, S1(t)=e^(-0.02t) * ∫ {from 0 to t} (S1(t)/50)e^(0.02t) dt
which seems wrong...

Thanks
 

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yecko said:
can I ask one more question on the topic?
That is a new problem. You should start a new thread for each problem.
 

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