Solving ln(1+e^-x) = -x+2 for x

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Homework Statement


I need to solve x:
ln (1+e^-x)=-x+2

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The Attempt at a Solution


ln (1+e^-x)=-x+2
x+ln (1+1/e^x)=2
x+ln (e^x/e^x+1/e^x)=2
x+ln ((e^x+1)/e^x)=2
x+ln (e^x+1)-ln(e^x)=2
x+ln (e^x+1)-x=2
ln (e^x+1)=2im stuck here.
thank you
 
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Perhaps try raising e to both sides of the equation? ##e^{lhs}=e^{rhs}##
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
Perhaps try raising e to both sides of the equation? ##e^{lhs}=e^{rhs}##
sorry I don't really understand.
 
ln (e^x+1)=2...
##e^{ln(e^x+1)}=e^2##
...
 
In my previous post, lhs was left hand side and rhs was right hand side. That'll come up from time to time, so it wouldn't hurt to keep that in mind.
 
BiiyElLoWhAt said:
ln (e^x+1)=2...
##e^{ln(e^x+1)}=e^2##
...
where can I read about the rules/ methods to solve ln /e equation because this is confusing me I don't know what to do. :'(
 
math007 said:
where can I read about the rules/ methods to solve ln /e equation because this is confusing me I don't know what to do. :'(
How would you define the natural log of say a variable called y?
 
To add to chet, define it in words, not maths, but of course using some math termonology, such as exponents and whatnot.
 
Chestermiller said:
How would you define the natural log of say a variable called y?
ln (y)?
 
yes
define it in words.
 
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BiGyElLoWhAt said:
yes
define it in words.
the exponential form of y?
 
What is the natural log of y? If I punch ##ln(1)## in my calculator, it returns a 0, why is the answer 0? what does the 0 represent?
 
Fill in the blanks: The natural log of y is the power to which you have to raise ____ to get ___.

Chet
 
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to raise e to get y

ln (e^y)=yln e=y
 
Ahhh, so ln(y) is the exponent that I can put on e to get y? So what happens if I take that exponent and stick it on e? what do I get? ##e^{ln(y)}=?##
 
math007 said:
to raise e to get y

ln (e^y)=yln e=y
Good. Now going back to post #4, fill in the blanks: ##\ln(1+e^x)## is the power to which you have to raise ____ to get _____.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now going back to post #4, fill in the blanks: ##\ln(1+e^x)## is the power to which you have to raise ____ to get _____.

Chet
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now going back to post #4, fill in the blanks: ##\ln(1+e^x)## is the power to which you have to raise ____ to get _____.

Chet
raise e to get ln (1+e^x)
e^(ln (1+e^x))
then e and ln can cancels? to get 1+e^x
 
OK. Good. Now, if you combine this result with the equation in post #4, what do you get for x?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
OK. Good. Now, if you combine this result with the equation in post #4, what do you get for x?

Chet
math007 said:
raise e to get ln (1+e^x)
e^(ln (1+e^x))
then e and ln can cancels? to get 1+e^x
e^x+1=e^2
e^x=e^2-1
lne^x=ln (e^2-1)
x=ln (e^2-1)
 
Chestermiller said:
Excellent!
awesome thank you so much for the help :-)
 
math007 said:
awesome thank you so much for the help :-)
Most of the thanks should go to Bigyellowwhat.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
Ahhh, so ln(y) is the exponent that I can put on e to get y? So what happens if I take that exponent and stick it on e? what do I get? ##e^{ln(y)}=?##
thanks so much for the help man. I really appreciate it :-)
 
Anytime :wink: