Solving Nonlinear System: \alpha,\beta,\gamma from A,B,C

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The discussion revolves around solving a nonlinear system of equations involving three variables, α, β, and γ, expressed in terms of three given values A, B, and C. The equations represent relationships between the variables, including their arithmetic mean, geometric mean, and product. Participants explore various methods to express the variables in terms of the given values.

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  • One participant presents the system of equations and seeks to express α, β, and γ in terms of A, B, and C.
  • Another participant suggests that there is an obvious starting point for solving the equations.
  • A different participant discusses the relationship between the roots of a quadratic equation and the means A and B, indicating a potential method for solving the cubic equation.
  • One participant proposes introducing new variables for B² and C³, suggesting that solving one equation could lead to a quadratic equation for another variable, which may or may not yield an analytic solution depending on the degree of the resulting equation.
  • A later reply reiterates the original system of equations and outlines a method to isolate γ and subsequently express all variables in terms of α, ultimately leading to a single equation in α.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the system. Multiple approaches and perspectives are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the solvability of the equations, particularly concerning the existence of closed analytic solutions based on the degree of the resulting equations.

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I have this system of equation: [tex]A = \frac{\alpha + \beta + \gamma}{3}[/tex] [tex]B = \sqrt[2]{\frac{\beta \gamma + \gamma \alpha + \alpha \beta}{3}}[/tex] [tex]C = \sqrt[3]{\alpha \beta \gamma}[/tex] And I want to solve this system for α, β and γ. In other words, I want to express α, β and γ in terms of A, B and C.

[tex]\alpha = \alpha (A,B,C)[/tex][tex]\beta = \beta (A,B,C)[/tex][tex]\gamma = \gamma (A,B,C)[/tex]
 
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What is your question or discussion point?
There is an obvious way to start solving it.
 
If α and β are the roots of the quadratic equation and A and B are the arithmetic and geometric mean, respectively, so, the quadratic formula becomes: [tex]A \pm \sqrt{A^2-B^2}[/tex]. I'm trying to solve the cubic equation in the same way...
 
I would introduce new variables for B2 and C3. Solving the third equation for one variable and plugging it into another equation gives a quadratic equation for a second variable, which can be plugged into the third equation. If that has a degree of at most 4, there is an analytic solution in closed form, otherwise I doubt there is a way to solve it (because a solution would then probably allow to solve equations that are proven to have no closed analytic solution).
 
Bruno Tolentino said:
I have this system of equation: [tex]A = \frac{\alpha + \beta + \gamma}{3}[/tex] [tex]B = \sqrt[2]{\frac{\beta \gamma + \gamma \alpha + \alpha \beta}{3}}[/tex] [tex]C = \sqrt[3]{\alpha \beta \gamma}[/tex] And I want to solve this system for α, β and γ. In other words, I want to express α, β and γ in terms of A, B and C.

[tex]\alpha = \alpha (A,B,C)[/tex][tex]\beta = \beta (A,B,C)[/tex][tex]\gamma = \gamma (A,B,C)[/tex]
So, essentially, you want to solve
[tex]\alpha+ \beta+ \gamma= 3A[/tex]
[tex]\alpha\beta+ \alpha\gamma+ \beta\gamma= 9B^2[/tex]
[tex]\alpha\beta\gamma= C^3[/tex]
and since A, B, and C are given values, so are 3A, [itex]9B^2[/itex], and [itex]C^3[/itex].

From [itex]\alpha\beta\gamma=C^3[/itex], [itex]\gamma= \frac{C^3}{\alpha\beta}[/itex]
so [itex]\alpha\beta+ \frac{C^3}{\beta}+ \frac{C^3}{\alpha}= 9B^2[/itex]
Multiplying by [itex]\alpha\beta[/itex], [itex]\alpha^2\beta^2+ C^3\alpha+ C^3\beta= 9B^2\alpha\beta[/itex].

We can write that as [itex]\alpha^2\beta^2+ C^3\beta+ (C^3\alpha- 9B^2\alpha)= 0[/itex] and use the quadratic formula to solve for [itex]\beta[/itex] in terms of [itex]\alpha[/itex], then put that into [itex]\gamma= \frac{C^3}{\alpha\beta}[/itex] to get [itex]\gamma[/itex] in terms of [itex]\alpha[/itex] only.

Finally, put those into [itex]\alpha+ \beta+ \gamma= 3A[/itex] to get an equation in [itex]\alpha[/itex] only.
 
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