Solving ODE to find general solution

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The discussion revolves around solving an ordinary differential equation (ODE) related to the motion of a skydiver under the influence of gravity, specifically focusing on finding the general solution for the position function y(t) given the acceleration due to gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the acceleration equation y'' = -g to derive the general solution for y. There is a question about the treatment of gravity as a constant and the implications for the solution.
  • Further attempts are made to find particular solutions based on initial conditions, with participants verifying their interpretations of the initial values for position and velocity.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty regarding how to approach a specific scenario involving a skydiver, considering the initial conditions and the application of kinematic equations.
  • Questions arise about the correct application of initial conditions and the interpretation of displacement when the diver hits the ground.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying concepts related to the ODE. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of initial conditions and the expected outcomes when applying the general solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance is negligible and that gravity is a constant value. The problem involves specific initial conditions related to a skydiver's jump from a height of 4000m with an initial velocity of zero.

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If we assume air resistance is negligible, the only force acting on a body is -Mg where g is the acceleration due to gravity ( negative because acting downwards). F = Ma becomes :
-Mg = M y''
which implies
y''=-g

Question asks find the general solution for y.



Homework Equations


y is the distance above the ground of an object
y' is the vertical velocity
y'' is vertical accelaration


The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I have done so far:

y'' = -g, therefore y' = -gt + A
integrating again
y= -1/2 gt^2 + At + B

Am I correct so far or do I take gravity to be a constant such as x giving me an answer of:

y = -3/2 g^3 + At + B
 
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Jamiey1988 said:

The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I have done so far:

y'' = -g, therefore y' = -gt + A
integrating again
y= -1/2 gt^2 + At + B

Am I correct so far or do I take gravity to be a constant such as x giving me an answer of:

y = -3/2 g^3 + At + B

No no, the first one is quite correct. Acceleration due to gravity is constant. So your first general solution is correct.
 
Thanks for that, following on the question asks to find particular solutions for:
y(0) = [y][0] and y'=[v][0] for which i get:

[y][0] = B and [v][0] = A - gt

Are these correct also?
 
Jamiey1988 said:
Thanks for that, following on the question asks to find particular solutions for:
y(0) = [y][0] and y'=[v][0] for which i get:

[y][0] = B and [v][0] = A - gt

Are these correct also?

Yes those are correct. I assumed by [y][0] you meant y0 such that y(0)=y0 and not y(0)= 0.
 
Ye sorry that is what I meant. Now is the part I am really stuck with. The final part pf the question states,
A sky diver whose mass is 80kg leaps from a plane at 4000m above the ground and his parachute fails to open. If initial velocity is zero at what time does he hit the ground? and how fast is he going when he hits? Assume g = 10m.s^-2.
I am not sure as to tackle this question, maybe using basic formula such as v^2 = u^2 + 2as something like that?
 
Jamiey1988 said:
Ye sorry that is what I meant. Now is the part I am really stuck with. The final part pf the question states,
A sky diver whose mass is 80kg leaps from a plane at 4000m above the ground and his parachute fails to open. If initial velocity is zero at what time does he hit the ground? and how fast is he going when he hits? Assume g = 10m.s^-2.
I am not sure as to tackle this question, maybe using basic formula such as v^2 = u^2 + 2as something like that?

Ok, well you just solved the equation y''=-g and got y=y0+v0t -1/2gt2 right?

If he initially starts at 4000m, then wouldn't y(0)=4000? What is y(0) equal to from your initial conditions when solving the ODE? Similarly the diver has an initial velocity so y'(0)=0. What y'(0) equal to?

And when the diver hits the ground, his displacement 'y should be zero.
 
Ok so if that is the case y(0)= 4000 would give me an answer of, 4000 = y0 which was the initial condition. The second was that y' = v0. So Substituting back into general solution would give,
y = 4000 + (0)t- 1/2gt^2, where initial vertical velocity is zero, v0 = 0
So from there 4000 = 1/2 gt^2
8000 = gt^2
t^2 = 8000/10 (As gravity = 10m.s^-2)
t = SQRT (800)
t = 28.284 seconds
Correct?
 
Yes that looks correct.
 
Thanks for all your help :smile:
 
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Oops sorry I forgot to answer the speed at which he hits the ground? U say his displacement 'y should be zero. could u expand on that for me please.
 

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