Solving Permutation Group Homework: Part (f) Explained

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific part of a permutation group problem, particularly focusing on the calculations involving powers of the product of two permutations, denoted as (\sigma \tau). Participants are trying to clarify the implications of the order of the permutation and how it affects the simplification of expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how certain terms reduce in the context of powers of permutations, specifically questioning the omission of terms in the calculations. Other participants raise related questions about the implications of the order of the permutation on these calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the relationships between the powers of (\sigma \tau) and its order. Some have provided hints regarding the identity element, while others are questioning the treatment of negative powers and their simplifications.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the order of the permutation, which is stated to be 11, and how this affects the calculations being discussed. The original poster expresses confusion about the treatment of certain terms in the context of the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement



I have problems understanding part (f) of the following worked example:

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The Attempt at a Solution



So in part (f), when calculating (\sigma \tau)^{9000}, how does (\sigma \tau)^{818 \times 11} (\sigma \tau)^2 reduce to (\sigma \tau)^2? What happens to the (\sigma \tau)^{818 \times 11} part?

Similarly in (\sigma \tau)^{-21}=(\sigma \tau)^{-2 \times 11} (\sigma \tau)^1 = (\sigma \tau)^1

why has the "(\sigma \tau)^{-2 \times 11}" been omitted?
 
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What is (\sigma \tau)^11 equal to? Hint: You know that it has order 11
 
Office_Shredder said:
What is (\sigma \tau)^11 equal to? Hint: You know that it has order 11

Well, (\sigma \tau)^{11}=e where e is the identity. But what happens to the (\sigma \tau)^{-2}? Why does the "-2" disappear (since anything multiplied by the identity is itself)?
 
(\sigma \tau)^{-2 \times 11} = ((\sigma \tau)^{11})^{-2}
 

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