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Homework Statement


The problem says to compute the expression shown for the permutations σ, τ, and μ.
My problem in particular says to compute |{σ}| for σ= (1 2 3 4 5 6; 3 1 4 5 6 2)


The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt to solve this problem was by first trying to change σ into σ^2. And then I tried continuing to double σ until I got the identity, but at that rate it would take forever.
 
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I don't think my professor ever taught me that
 
Well, here's a crash course. [itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 1 to 3, 3 to 4, 4 to 5, 5 to 6, 6 to 2, and 2 to 1. We say that [itex]\sigma[/itex] has a cycle consisting of these elements, and we write it as (1 3 4 5 6 2). And we have accounted for all of the elements, so in fact [itex]\sigma[/itex] consists of just this cycle.

If the above makes sense to you, can you see how many times you would have to apply [itex]\sigma[/itex] in order to obtain the identity?
 
So i understood that and I continued doing that. I then got (1 2 3 4 5 6; 1 4 5 6 2 3). After doing it a couple more times, I ended up getting (1 2 3 4 5 6; 1 3 4 5 6 2) again. I don't know if I did something wrong.
 
jbunniii said:
Well, here's a crash course. [itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 1 to 3, 3 to 4, 4 to 5, 5 to 6, 6 to 2, and 2 to 1. We say that [itex]\sigma[/itex] has a cycle consisting of these elements, and we write it as (1 3 4 5 6 2). And we have accounted for all of the elements, so in fact [itex]\sigma[/itex] consists of just this cycle.

If the above makes sense to you, can you see how many times you would have to apply [itex]\sigma[/itex] in order to obtain the identity?

Or would you have to keep going back to the original σ for each new cycle?
 
If you want to write out the powers of [itex]\sigma[/itex], you can do it as follows, for example to calculate [itex]\sigma^2[/itex]:

[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 1 to 3 and 3 to 4. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 1 to 4.
[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 2 to 1 and 1 to 3. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 2 to 3.
[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 3 to 4 and 4 to 5. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 3 to 5.
[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 4 to 5 and 5 to 6. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 4 to 6.
[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 5 to 6 and 6 to 2. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 5 to 2.
[itex]\sigma[/itex] maps 6 to 2 and 2 to 1. Therefore [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] maps 6 to 1.

This means that [itex]\sigma^2[/itex] = (1 2 3 4 5 6 ; 4 3 5 6 2 1).
 
okay i did that and then I got (1 2 3 4 5 6; 6 5 2 1 3 4), then ( 1 2 3 4 5 6; 4 3 5 6 2 1). does this look right?
 
I just tried doing σ^3 and I got the inverse because
1 maps to 4, 4 to 6 and 6 to 1
2 to 3, 3 to 5, and 5 to 2.
3 to 5, 5 to 2, and 2 to 3.

Does this look correct now?
 
Okay, i redid it a final time and I believe the answer is 6
 
taylor81792 said:
I just tried doing σ^3 and I got the inverse because
1 maps to 4, 4 to 6 and 6 to 1
2 to 3, 3 to 5, and 5 to 2.
3 to 5, 5 to 2, and 2 to 3.

Does this look correct now?

No, here's what I get:

1 to 3 to 4 to 5
2 to 1 to 3 to 4
3 to 4 to 5 to 6
4 to 5 to 6 to 2
5 to 6 to 2 to 1
6 to 2 to 1 to 3

so [itex]\sigma^3[/itex] = (1 2 3 4 5 6 ; 5 4 6 2 1 3).
 
in general, if

σ = (a1 a2...ak1)(b1 b2...bk2)...(t1 t2...tkr)

where each cycle is disjoint from all the others,

then |σ| = lcm(k1,k2,...,kr)

for example, the order of σ =

(1 2 3 4 5)
(2 1 4 5 3) = (1 2)(3 4 5) is lcm(2,3) = 6.

also, if σ is a n-cycle that maps aj→aj+1 (mod n),

then σk maps aj→aj+k (mod n),

that is, instead of "jumping to the next number in the cycle (circle)", we skip to the k-th following number" ("looping back around when necessary").