Solving Resonance Structures of NH2OH Conjugate Base

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The discussion revolves around identifying and drawing the resonance structures of the conjugate base of hydroxylamine (NH2OH). Participants explore various approaches to determine the major resonance contributors, focusing on electron delocalization and the implications of removing protons from different functional groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents several potential conjugate bases and attempts to identify resonance structures, questioning if their last answer is on the right track.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the notation used and suggests simplifying the representation of the compound.
  • A different participant shares a link to external resources and discusses their attempts to remove protons from various groups, noting the lack of resonance contributors in some cases.
  • Another participant clarifies that the focus should be on the acidic proton of the hydroxyl group, emphasizing the need to consider all possible resonance structures after deprotonation.
  • One participant acknowledges the insight gained regarding electron movement into the aromatic ring without disrupting its aromaticity.

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Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some expressing confusion and others providing clarifications. There is no consensus on the correct resonance structures or the best method to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the resonance structures and the importance of considering the acidic nature of the hydroxyl group, while others highlight the challenges in representing the compound clearly. There are unresolved questions regarding the validity of certain resonance contributors.

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[SOLVED] Resonance Structures

1. Homework Statement [/b]

Draw the major resonance contributors that show electron delocaliztion of the formal charge for the following ions,

The conjugate base of
.O
.||... NH2
/..\ /...\\ /
...||...|
... \...//\
....OH

3. The Attempt at a Solution [/b]

Possible conjugate bases

.O
.||...NH2
/..\ /...\\ /
...||...|
...\...//\
....O(-) However this has no resonance structures...

.O
.||...NH(-)
/..\ /...\\ /
...||...|
...\...//\
....OH However this has no resonance structures...

and finally...
...O
...||...NH2
...(-)/ \ /...\\ /
...||...|
...\...//\
......OH with the resonance structure...

... O (-)
...|...NH2
...//..\ /..\\ /
...||...|
...\...//\
.....OH

am I on the right track with the last answer?
 
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to do here. Is it possible to put the compound on a single line? (-O-N(+)H2-OH, for example)
 
I have a better idea, go to this link
(It's the first part of problem 2)

http://orgchem.colorado.edu/courses/imagesbhS08/HW1_3331sp08.pdf"

What I tried to do was first remove an H+ from the alcohol but it does not have any resonance contributors, then I tried to remove an H+ from the amine group but the same result. Finally, I tried to remove a hydrogen from the methyl group next to the ketone which does have a resonance structure but I do not know if that is correct.
 
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It asks for the conjugate base, so we're obviously talking about an acidic proton. This molecule is just a fancy phenol (an acid). Remove the proton there and look at ALL of the possible resonance structures.
 
Thanks for your help, I see now that the electrons can move into the ring without breaking the phenyls aromaticity.
 

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