Solving Satellite Collision Homework

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The problem involves a satellite in a circular orbit around the Earth with a radius of 2R, where R is the radius of the Earth. The scenario describes a situation where the satellite's velocity suddenly becomes zero due to a collision, prompting a discussion on the subsequent motion of the satellite as it falls towards the Earth, while ignoring atmospheric effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the satellite's motion after its velocity becomes zero, questioning whether it falls directly or swirls inwards. There is discussion about the conservation of energy and angular momentum in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising various interpretations of the motion and the implications of zero angular momentum. Some suggest that the satellite must fall in a straight line towards the center of the Earth, while others inquire about potential methods to analyze the problem without extensive calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of applying Kepler's laws to this scenario, as the motion of the satellite becomes a straight line rather than an elliptical path. There is also mention of needing another orbital period for comparison, which is not available in this case.

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Homework Statement


A satellite is revolving around the Earth in a circular orbit with radius of 2R, where R is radius of earth.If suddenly,its velocity becomes zero in the orbit due to collision with some inter-stellar object(like a satellite),find the time which it takes to hit surface of the earth. Ignore the effect of atmosphere and treat Earth to be perfect sphere.

Homework Equations


Necessary formulas. . all are at hand.

The Attempt at a Solution



There are a no. of confusions I'm having. Firstly, What is aftermath motion of the satellite. Does it swirl inwards towards the Earth or fall directly.
Secondly, Since there is no energy dissipation the energy remains conserved ie., Since PE decreases the KE should increase. Also the Angular Momentum should remain conserved about the earth.

Will it suffice to solve this? Or Am I missing something?
 
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hi vivekrai! :smile:

you're reading too much into this! :redface:

what is complicated about? :confused:
vivekrai said:
… its velocity becomes zero …

… zero velocity = zero KE = zero angular momentum :wink:
 
So Initial Angular momentum is zero which implies that the satellite must fall in such a way that it's Angular Momentum remains zero for along the motion. This is only possible if it falls in a straight line joining the Center of Earth and the satellite?

The problem then reduces to just finding the time taken by the satellite to hit the surface of Earth under a variable force of gravitation due to the earth. Does it? This would however require Integration and I'' handle it.

Now Is there any other method based purely on Kepler's Laws which can help to solve this without the maths? [Just for Knowledge]
 
hi vivekrai! :smile:
vivekrai said:
So Initial Angular momentum is zero which implies that the satellite must fall in such a way that it's Angular Momentum remains zero for along the motion. This is only possible if it falls in a straight line joining the Center of Earth and the satellite?

yes! :smile:
Now Is there any other method based purely on Kepler's Laws which can help to solve this without the maths?

well, you could get if from kepler's third law
the square of the orbital period of a planet is directly proportional to the cube of the semi-major axis of its orbit​

if you had another orbital period to compare it with! :rolleyes:
 
tiny-tim said:
if you had another orbital period to compare it with! :rolleyes:

In this case, the ellipse that we thought for its motion becomes flat ie., Converges to a straight line. Now what after this?
 
you still need another orbital period to compare it with
 
Some more clues please please!
 
there isn't a way using kepler's laws!

use the way you mentioned earlier :smile:
vivekrai said:
So Initial Angular momentum is zero which implies that the satellite must fall in such a way that it's Angular Momentum remains zero for along the motion. This is only possible if it falls in a straight line joining the Center of Earth and the satellite?

The problem then reduces to just finding the time taken by the satellite to hit the surface of Earth under a variable force of gravitation due to the earth.
 
Sir Please tell me that you're not hiding something. If there is really , then please tell. I've come to know that indeed there (based on some assumption) , which I'm not getting.
 
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it falls in a straight vertical line

just find the time taken by the satellite to hit the surface of Earth under the variable force of gravitation
 

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