Undergrad Solving Schrodinger's eqn using ladder operators for potential V

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The discussion centers on solving the Schrödinger equation using ladder operators for various potentials, emphasizing the role of the Hamiltonian and the implications of applying lowering operators. It highlights that while the approach can yield solutions for specific cases, such as the harmonic oscillator, it may not universally apply to all potentials, particularly when V(x) = 0. The participants note that the lowering operators do not simply lower energy but instead modify the wave function in a more complex manner. The technique is primarily effective for systems exhibiting certain symmetries, which relate to harmonic oscillators and Lie algebras. Overall, the method's limitations and specific applicability to certain potentials are key points of the discussion.
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The Schrodinger equation:
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2} + \hat V\psi = E\psi$$
$$\frac{1}{2m}[\hat p^2 + 2m\hat V ]\psi = E\psi$$
The ladder operators:
$$\hat a_\pm = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2m}}[\hat p \pm i\sqrt{2m\hat V}]$$

$$\hat a_\pm \hat a_\mp = \frac{1}{2m}[\hat p^2 + (2m\hat V) \mp i\sqrt{2m}[\hat p,\hat V ^{1/2}]]$$
The Hamiltonian:
$$\hat H = \frac{1}{2m}[\hat p^2 +2m\hat V]$$
The Hamiltonian in terms of the ladder operator:
$$\hat H = \hat a_\pm \hat a_\mp \pm {\frac{i}{\sqrt{2m}} [\hat p, \hat V^{1/2}]} $$
finding ##\hat H(\hat a_- \psi)##:
$$\hat H(\hat a_- \psi) = [\hat a_-\hat a_+ \frac{i}{\sqrt{2m}}[\hat p, \hat V^{1/2}]](\hat a_- \psi)$$
$$\hat H(\hat a_- \psi) = \hat a_-[E - \frac{2i}{\sqrt{2m}}[\hat p, \hat V^{1/2}]](\psi)$$

If we apply the lowering operator repeatedly we will eventually reach a state with energy less than zero, which do not exist.
$$\hat a_- \psi_0 = 0$$
$$[\hat p - i(2m\hat V)^{1/2}]\psi_0 = 0$$
$$[-i\hbar\frac{d}{dx} -i \sqrt{2mV(x)}]\psi_0 = 0$$
$$\psi_0(x) = -\int {\frac{\sqrt{2mV(x)}}{\hbar}dx}$$
$$\psi_n(x) = A_n(\hat a_+)^n \psi_0(x)$$
where ##\psi_0## is the ground state wave function solution.
Is this a correct way to give a general solution of the Schrodinger equation for any potential?
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
Is this a correct way to give a general solution of the Schrodinger equation for any potential?
You can quickly check whether you have a general solution by trying it on the special case ##V=0##. Try this and you’ll likely see that the harmonic oscillator potential has a property required for this approach to work that is not found in more general potentials.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
$$\psi_0(x) = -\int {\frac{\sqrt{2mV(x)}}{\hbar}dx}$$
$$\psi_n(x) = A_n(\hat a_+)^n \psi_0(x)$$
where ##\psi_0## is the ground state wave function solution.
Is this a correct way to give a general solution of the Schrodinger equation for any potential?
I made a small error here, ##\psi_0## is supposed to be:
$$\psi_0(x) = e^{\int -\frac{\sqrt{2mV(x)}}{\hbar} dx}$$
Nugatory said:
You can quickly check whether you have a general solution by trying it on the special case ##V=0##. Try this and you’ll likely see that the harmonic oscillator potential has a property required for this approach to work that is not found in more general potentials.
Is there a way to account for the case where ##V(x) = 0##?
Leaving aside this case the final siltion should hold true for any arbitrary potential ##V(x)##?
 
The "lowering operators" do not really lower energy. Instead, they multiply ##\psi(x)## by a function that depends on ##x## (except in the cases ##V=0## and ##V\propto x^2##), so it cannot be interpreted as a number times ##\psi(x)## .
 
This technique is pretty much restricted to the harmonic oscillator and the angular-momentum eigenvalue problems, and the latter is even also reducible to the symmetric harmonic-oscillator problem in 2 dimensions. So one can expect that most of the problems, where this "factorization of the Hamiltonian" approach works, is due to symmetries reducing to the harmonic oscillators in ##d## dimensions and thus related to the Lie algebras of the SU(d) groups. Schrödinger has written (at least) two papers about this too:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20490744
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20490756
 
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