Solving separable 2nd order DE

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This discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation encountered in Griffith's Electrodynamics, specifically focusing on the mathematical approach to solving it. The original poster expresses confusion regarding their integration method applied to the equation.

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  • The original poster attempts to integrate a second-order differential equation but questions the validity of their method. Some participants point out issues with the integration of terms involving second derivatives and suggest that the approach may not be mathematically sound. Others provide an alternative method involving the introduction of a new variable for the first derivative.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and validity of certain integrals involving second derivatives and are considering the implications of these definitions on the solution process.

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This is a physics problem from Griffith's Electrodynamics. I'm mainly asking about the math here. I found the DE in the box at part (d).
To solve it, I did:
##\sqrt V {d^2 V} = \beta dx^2##
Integrating twice:
##\frac {4} {15} V^{2.5} = \beta x^2/2##

Why is my method wrong?

Thanks for the help.
 
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Write your second derivative as \frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{dV}{dx} \right) and it should be clear that when you try to separate it using your method, what you actually get is:

\sqrt{V} \, d (\frac{dV}{dx}) = \beta \, dx
 
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You just cannot integrate this equation is $$\sqrt{V}d^2V=\beta dx^2$$ because , me at least , doesn't know how an integral of the form $$\int f(V)d^2V$$ is defined or an integral of the form $$\int f(x)dx^2$$ is defined.
That is because you have ##d^2V## there instead of ##dV## and ##dx^2## instead of ##dx##.
$$\int f(V)dV$$ and $$\int f(x) dx$$ are well defined, but not the integrals at the starting of my post, those are just not well defined.

What you do is that you assume not only that the integrals are well defined but also that the following equality holds $$\int f(V)d^2V=\ (\int f(V) dV \ )dV$$ (and something similar for the $$\int f(x)dx^2=\ (\int f(x) dx \ )dx$$.

I challenge you to prove the above equalities, there is no way to prove them, simply because the left hand side is not well defined
 
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BTW, the method the book uses is the standard way to solve DEs of the form \frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = f(y)

Define the first derivative as a new variable, eg v = \frac{dy}{dx}.
Now in terms of v the original DE can be written as:
\frac{dv}{dx} = f(y)
Applying the chain rule you get:
\frac{dv}{dy} \, \frac{dy}{dx} = f(y)
v \frac{dv}{dy} = f(y)
Which separates nicely to give:
v \, dv = f(y) \, dy
 
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