Solving Simple SR Questions: Find Proper Length & Speed of a Spacecraft

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The problem involves an observer measuring the length of a spacecraft moving at a constant speed relative to the observer. The observer records the time it takes for the front and rear of the spacecraft to pass by, leading to questions about the concepts of proper length and speed in the context of special relativity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of proper length and its relation to measurements taken in different frames of reference. There are attempts to calculate the speed of the spacecraft and the proper length using given measurements and equations. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of length contraction at low speeds.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the accuracy of their results. There is a recognition of the challenges posed by the lack of definitive answers in university problems, leading to a collaborative exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the non-relativistic speed of the spacecraft and the potential for confusion due to the lack of provided answers in the context of homework assignments.

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Homework Statement



An observer at a station on the moon measures the time of a spacecraft passing
with constant speed v. The front of the spacecraft passes him at 0 s and the rear
at 0.2 μs. The observer measures the length of the spacecraft to be 1.5 m.
Explain briefy the term proper length. What is the proper length and the speed
v (in units of c) of the spacecraft ?

Homework Equations


L=Lo/γ
T=To*γ

The Attempt at a Solution



The definition for proper length we've been given is "The length Lo of an object measured in the rest frame of the object is the PROPER LENGTH".

I've tried to think of it in terms of "events" and I'm getting the timings occur at the same place in space by the observer, but the measurements aren't as its at the back and front of the rocket (probably where I'm going wrong).
So I'm saying L=1.5m and To=0.2μs, which from v=L/To gives 7.5E6 m/s or 2.5E-2 c.

so to find Lo use L=Lo/γ→ Lγ=Lo then because its fairly slow speed use low speed approximation (because γ=1.0005 without it) of γ=1+(1/2)β^2

which give the proper length to be 1.5007m and yeah that seems wrong.

any help appreciated, and more so how to think when tackling these problems?
 
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Hi Murgs2012! :smile:
Murgs2012 said:
So I'm saying L=1.5m and To=0.2μs, which from v=L/To gives 7.5E6 m/s or 2.5E-2 c.

so to find Lo use L=Lo/γ→ Lγ=Lo then because its fairly slow speed use low speed approximation (because γ=1.0005 without it) of γ=1+(1/2)β^2

which give the proper length to be 1.5007m and yeah that seems wrong.

Looks ok, apart from the 7.
 
so would i be correct in saying that because it is moving at non-relativistic speeds (0.025c) the length contraction is effectively zero so the proper length and the contracted length are both 1.5m?
 
no, i meant, i don't get 7
 
Oh sorry, just re-did it and got 1.5005m?
 
that's what i get :smile:

(is it right?)
 
No idea, downside of university "problems "(past paper in this case) are the lack of answers because they love repeating questions across years :\.
But if we both got to the same answer I'll take it as right :)

Thanks for the help.
 

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