Solving Simple Transposition Problem for Charge Separation in Air

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the calculation of the separation distance between two point charges in air, given their charge values and the force between them. The subject area includes electrostatics and the application of Coulomb's law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to transpose an equation related to electrostatic force to find the separation distance but expresses uncertainty about their calculations. Some participants question the accuracy of the transposition and suggest potential errors in the order of magnitude due to calculator usage.

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Participants are actively engaging in verifying the steps taken by the original poster. Some have offered guidance on the potential misapplication of brackets in the calculations, while others are exploring the implications of the values used in the equation.

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The original poster mentions a discrepancy in expected results, indicating a possible misunderstanding or miscalculation in the context of their homework. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and the time spent on revision.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to tranpose a given value but it seems I am getting the wrong answer what ever route I am taking, please can someone correct me.

The question is Two point charges A and B have values of 5x10^-6C and 7x10^-6C. Calculate the separation (R) when the force between them is 3.2N of air.

I am given all these values so I end up with the equation below.

Homework Equations



F=Force
Q1=Charge
Q2=Charge
Eo=Air
Er=Permitivty of Free Space
R^2= separation
π= pi

The Attempt at a Solution



F=Q1Q2/4πEoErR^2

I am trying to transpose for R^2

F4πEoErR^2 = Q1Q2/F4πEoEr

R^2 = Q1Q2/F4πEoEr

R = √[Q1Q2/F4πEoEr]

(Inputting the Values_

R = √[(5x10^-6)(7x10^-6) / 3.2 * 4π * 8.85x10^-12 * 1]

R = 3.4876x10^-11

I think I messed up my transposition somewhere because the rest of the answers I've been doing have been like 0.5m - 3m separation, but I maybe be wrong. I've been doing 8 hours a day revision all week so my heads all over the place.

Thank you.
 
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Looks like some kind of calculator error: if you notice, 10^-6*10^-6/10^-12 will cancel so you're clearly off by orders of magnitude.
 
Hey, thanks for the fast reply but I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Can you verify if all the steps of the transposition are correct, or if they are what error I have made?

Thanks again
 
MattNotrick said:
Hey, thanks for the fast reply but I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Can you verify if all the steps of the transposition are correct, or if they are what error I have made?

Thanks again

Solving for R looks fine:

F=kqq/r^2
r^2*F=kqq
r=sqrt(kqq/F) ; k=1/(4*pi*E_o*E_r)

I'm saying you may have put the values in your calculator incorrectly.
 
I would hazard a guess that you went wrong here:

R = √[(5x10^-6)(7x10^-6) / 3.2 * 4π * 8.85x10^-12 * 1]

Try sticking another pair of brackets in:

R = √[ {(5x10^-6)(7x10^-6)} / {3.2 * 4π * 8.85x10^-12 * 1} ]

Your equation is correct, and given the numbers I get a vastly different solution to you. When I don't use the extra pair of brackets, I get your answer!
 

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