How Can I Determine the Value of Charges in Coulomb's Law?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the values of charges in Coulomb's Law, particularly how to experimentally find these values without them being provided. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of Coulomb's Law, including mathematical formulations and experimental setups.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand how to find the value of charges in Coulomb's Law when they are not given, indicating a lack of formal education in physics.
  • Another participant provides a rearranged form of Coulomb's Law to isolate one charge, suggesting that knowing the force and distance allows for calculation of one charge if the other is known.
  • There is a discussion about measuring the force acting on a charge, with suggestions to use a Newton meter or apply Newton's second law to find net force through acceleration and mass measurements.
  • Concerns are raised about complications in measuring forces if the charges are not at rest, as the separation distance would change, affecting the force measurement.
  • A proposed experimental setup involves suspending charged objects on strings to measure the angle of deviation from vertical, which could help calculate the Coulomb force.
  • One participant inquires about the best materials to use for the charged objects, indicating limited knowledge on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for determining charge values, and multiple approaches and considerations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the measurement of forces and the implications of moving charges on experimental results. There are also limitations in knowledge about suitable materials for the experiment.

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Hello, I am pretty new to physics. I have no formal education on physics, and I have been studying it on my own out of curiosity and fascination. Please correct me if anything that I say is wrong and assume I know nothing. Math is also not my strongest skill, but I am trying to become better.

For the past couple of days, I have been working with Coulomb's Law. From my understanding the formula used is : (k) q1q2/r^2. I feel pretty comfortable with the formula and I have been doing some practice problems and getting them correct. In all of the questions though, q1 and q2 are given to me. I would like to know how to find the value of "q" without it being given to me.

If I were to construct my own experiment and put 2 charges at a certain distance from each other, how would I go about finding the value of the charges?

Thanks!
 
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##F=\frac{k_E \cdot q_1 \cdot q_2}{r^2}⇔q_1=\frac{F\cdot r^2}{k_E\cdot q_2}##
 
Thanks! What is that called so I can look more into it?
 
Josh225 said:
Thanki! What is that called so I can look more into it?
I do not think this equation ##q_1=\frac{F\cdot r^2}{k_E\cdot q_2}## has any name. Just another form of Coulomb law.
 
Josh225 said:
If I were to construct my own experiment and put 2 charges at a certain distance from each other, how would I go about finding the value of the charges?

From Coulomb's Law, if you measure the separation of the charges, r, and the force on either one, you could only find the product of the two charges, q1q2. If you knew the value of one of the charges then you could use the above formula to find the other. Also, if the two charges were equal, q1 = q2 = q, then Coulomb's Law would give you q^2 so you could calculate q.
 
How do I measure the force of the individual charge though?
 
Josh225 said:
How do I measure the force of the individual charge though?
##F_{coulomb}=F_{net}-F_{other}##
you can measure net force with Newton meter.
Or consider that Newton II law ##F_{net}=a*m## and measure acceleration and mass.
 
olgerm said:
Or consider that Newton II law ##F_{net}=a*m## and measure acceleration and mass.

This would get complicated if there is acceleration, i.e. the charges are not at rest, since then the separation distance, r, would be changing and the force would not be constant.

One possible experiment would be to suspend two charged objects on strings. The Coulomb force would cause the objects to attract or repel, depending on the charges, and the strings would deviate from the vertical. Knowing the mass of the objects and measuring the angle of deviation from the vertical, the Coulomb force can be calculated.
 
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As far are the 2 charged objects are concerned, what material would be the best to use? My knowledge on the subject is extremely limited.
 
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http://www.compadre.org/psrc/franklin/
Ben Franklin as my Lab Partner (Robert Morse)


http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/elechome.htm
http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/elechome.htm#Coul
 

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