Solving Some Friction Thing Homework

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving friction and forces acting on two blocks, one resting on top of the other. Participants are trying to determine the forces involved and the conditions under which the blocks interact, particularly focusing on the frictional forces and the implications of a frictionless surface beneath the lower block.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind the calculated forces, with some attempting to justify their answers through logic rather than formal calculations. Questions about the relationship between the blocks' accelerations and the forces acting on them are raised, alongside requests for clarification on the problem setup.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding free body diagrams and the application of Newton's laws. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or solution.

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Participants express confusion over the problem and the equations from the textbook, indicating a potential gap in understanding the underlying principles. There is mention of a frictionless surface, which is a key aspect of the problem that is being examined.

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i Found part a is 2.7
and b i think is 12.0N?
 
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Show how you solved part b.

(Hint: Just because b comes before c doesn't mean you have to solve them in that order.)
 
Draw FBD's and tell us why you think the answer is 12N for part b. (Note that the acceleration of each block (and both blocks together) must be the same if there is no slippage.)
 
well I am not sure how to solve it, i just used logic.
basically the way i see it, there is always 4.4kg resting on top of the slab, and no matter where you push, there will always be 12.0N applied to both blocks at the same time, mainly because the bottom of the slab is frictionless.
 
anyone?
 
kchau said:
well I am not sure how to solve it, i just used logic.
basically the way i see it, there is always 4.4kg resting on top of the slab, and no matter where you push, there will always be 12.0N applied to both blocks at the same time, mainly because the bottom of the slab is frictionless.
Your logic is flawed. Draw a FBD of the top block and calculate its acceleration. The max friction force that can act on the top block without slippage is 12N. The 12N friction force is the only force acting on the top block. Once you get the acceleration, solve for F with a FBD of the system.
 
this problem just doestn make sense to me, and none of the equations that i have found in the textbook, or have used so far make sense.
 
PhanthomJay gave you a precise presciption for solving this problem. The block just begins to slide when the force on it exceeds 12 N. Figure out what its maximum acceleration must be as a result of that force. (Use Newton's 2nd law.) In order for "block + slab" to have that acceleration, what force must be exerted on the slab? Note that the force on the slab is the only external force acting on "block + slab". (Again, use Newton's 2nd law.)
 

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