Solving Spring & Elevator Homework Problem with Kinematic Equations

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The problem involves an elevator with a mass of 1920 kg that falls 15.6 m onto a spring with a spring constant of 23100 N/m after its cable snaps. A frictional force of 13217 N opposes the motion, and the work-energy principle is applied to find the maximum compression of the spring. The initial kinetic energy is zero, and gravitational potential energy is calculated based on the height above the spring. The frictional work done must be considered over the distance the elevator travels before compressing the spring. The calculations involve setting up a quadratic equation to solve for the compression distance, with adjustments made for the work done by friction.
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Homework Statement


The cable of an elevator of mass M = 1920 kg snaps when the elevator is at rest at one of the floors of a skyscraper. At this point the elevator is a distance d = 15.6 m above a cushioning spring whose spring constant is k = 23100 N/m. A safety device clamps the elevator against the guide rails so that a constant frictional force of f = 13217 N opposes the motion of the elevator. Find the maximum distance by which the cushioning spring will be compressed.


Homework Equations


K1 + U(grav,1) + U(elastic,1) + W(other) = K2 + U(grav, 2) + U(elastic, 2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using the above formula for work-energy. I set my origin at the point at which the elevator initially hits the spring. So,
0 (initially at rest so K1=0) + (1920)(9.8)(15.6) + 0 (spring not yet compressed) -(13217)y2 = 0 (v2=0 so K2=0) + (1920)(9.8)y2 + .5(23100)(y2)^2

Basically I then used quadratics to solve for negative value of y2. What am I doing wrong?
 
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NAkid said:
0 (initially at rest so K1=0) + (1920)(9.8)(15.6) + 0 (spring not yet compressed) -(13217)y2 = 0 (v2=0 so K2=0) + (1920)(9.8)y2 + .5(23100)(y2)^2
Recalculate the work done by the friction force. Over what distance does it act?
 
oh, should it be y1 - y2, because y2 is negative?
 
NAkid said:
oh, should it be y1 - y2, because y2 is negative?
Sounds right.
 
ok now i think my algebra is just screwy because i keep getting an incorrect answer. i have

.5k(y2)^2 + (mg - f)y2 - mgy1 + fy1 = 0

solve for negative value of y2..
 
Looks good to me. Just plug in the numbers and solve.
 
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