Solving Spring & Elevator Homework Problem with Kinematic Equations

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The problem involves an elevator that falls onto a cushioning spring after its cable snaps. The scenario includes parameters such as the mass of the elevator, the distance above the spring, the spring constant, and a frictional force opposing the motion. The objective is to determine the maximum compression of the spring using work-energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy principle and the setup of the energy equations. There are questions about the correct distance over which friction acts and the interpretation of variables in the equations. Some participants express confusion about the algebraic manipulation leading to negative values.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, checking calculations, and clarifying assumptions. There is a recognition of potential errors in the algebra, and some guidance has been offered regarding recalculating the work done by friction. Multiple interpretations of the variables are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can use. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct application of the work-energy principle and the effects of friction.

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Homework Statement


The cable of an elevator of mass M = 1920 kg snaps when the elevator is at rest at one of the floors of a skyscraper. At this point the elevator is a distance d = 15.6 m above a cushioning spring whose spring constant is k = 23100 N/m. A safety device clamps the elevator against the guide rails so that a constant frictional force of f = 13217 N opposes the motion of the elevator. Find the maximum distance by which the cushioning spring will be compressed.


Homework Equations


K1 + U(grav,1) + U(elastic,1) + W(other) = K2 + U(grav, 2) + U(elastic, 2)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried using the above formula for work-energy. I set my origin at the point at which the elevator initially hits the spring. So,
0 (initially at rest so K1=0) + (1920)(9.8)(15.6) + 0 (spring not yet compressed) -(13217)y2 = 0 (v2=0 so K2=0) + (1920)(9.8)y2 + .5(23100)(y2)^2

Basically I then used quadratics to solve for negative value of y2. What am I doing wrong?
 
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NAkid said:
0 (initially at rest so K1=0) + (1920)(9.8)(15.6) + 0 (spring not yet compressed) -(13217)y2 = 0 (v2=0 so K2=0) + (1920)(9.8)y2 + .5(23100)(y2)^2
Recalculate the work done by the friction force. Over what distance does it act?
 
oh, should it be y1 - y2, because y2 is negative?
 
NAkid said:
oh, should it be y1 - y2, because y2 is negative?
Sounds right.
 
ok now i think my algebra is just screwy because i keep getting an incorrect answer. i have

.5k(y2)^2 + (mg - f)y2 - mgy1 + fy1 = 0

solve for negative value of y2..
 
Looks good to me. Just plug in the numbers and solve.
 

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