Solving Summations: Tips & Tricks for Homework

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The discussion revolves around understanding the transformation of summation notation in a physics context, specifically regarding the summation sign \(\sum_{b\neq a}\) and its equivalence to \(\sum_{ab}\) in a given equation. Participants are examining the implications of this notation in relation to particle interactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the logic behind the transition from \(\sum_{b\neq a}\) to \(\sum_{ab}\), questioning how the notation reflects the underlying physical interactions. Some suggest writing out the sums explicitly for clarity, while others express confusion about the appropriateness of the notation when neglecting self-interactions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications and exploring different interpretations of the summation notation. There is recognition of the complexity involved in the notation and its implications for understanding particle interactions.

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Participants note that the notation \(\sum_{ab}\) may not strictly represent the intended summation due to the neglect of self-interactions, raising questions about the accuracy of this representation in the context of the problem.

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See the attachment, I am stuck as to how the summation sign \sum_{b\neq a}^{} in (2.1.1) ends up as \sum_{ab}^{} in the term with the red dot above (2.1.5).

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As I understand you end up taking the product of two summations such that \sum_{a}^{}(\sum_{b\neq a}^{})=\sum_{ab}^{}, but I don't really understand the logic here.

just trying to understand, thanks in advance.
 

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There is a subindex ##a## missing from what should be ##\dot{\bf r}_a## from equation 2.1.4 and subsequently in ##\ddot{\bf r}_a## in 2.1.5. The rest is just inserting 2.1.1.
 
yeh I got that but once you insert 2.1.1 i don't get how the summation in front of the red dot term is \sum_{ab}^{} once you sub 2.1.1 you get \sum_{a}^{}(\sum_{b\neq a}^{}), I don't really understand how that works
 
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You are making a sum of sums. It may help to write the sums out for a small number of particles, let us say 3:
$$
\sum_{a} \sum_{b\neq a} F_{ab} = (F_{12} + F_ {13}) + [F_{21} + F_{23}] + \{F_{31} + F_{21}\}
$$
where the term in () is the term originating from the sum over ##b \neq 1## for ##a = 1##, [] for ##a = 2##, and {} for ##a = 3##. Now ##\sum_{ab}## is a bit of a bastard notation. If assuming that we by this mean ##\sum_{a=1}^3 \sum_{b=1}^3##, then we get some additional terms ##F_{11} + F_{22} + F_{33}##, but the particles do not exert forces onto themselves so these can be taken to be zero.
 
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Yeh I sort of came to a similar conclusion myself, the issue was that I didn't get why you can use the notation \sum_{ab}^{} if you neglect particle self interactions, the notation in that case is not strictly true then? Wouldn't it be better to keep it in the form \sum_{a}^{}(\sum_{b\neq a}^{}), anyway thanks for the clarifications!
 
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