Solving Tangent Line Problem: Adding & Subtracting 5 Explained

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The discussion revolves around understanding the derivative of the function y = ln(e^x + 5) and the reasoning behind the manipulation of terms involving adding and subtracting 5 in the context of finding the slope of tangent lines. Participants are exploring the application of the chain rule and the implications of limits as x approaches infinity.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule in differentiating the function and question the reasoning behind the manipulation of terms. There is exploration of different methods to analyze the limit of the derivative as x increases.

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Several participants have provided insights into the derivative and the manipulation of terms, suggesting different approaches to understanding the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of various methods, including the potential use of L'Hôpital's rule, though no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the limit behavior of the function as x approaches infinity, and there is mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the steps shown in the solution. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical reasoning involved.

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Ok, how do i solve this question
I've attached the picture.. The answer is A but i don't understand how to get that...

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The solution is also given , but i don't understand the adding and subtracting 5. the Derivative of

y=ln (e^x + 5) y'= 1/ ( e ^ x + 5) , where is the extra e^x coming from in the first line of the solution. Also i already mention the adding and substracing 5.. I have no idea what's going on .. PLz Math guru's please help me!
 

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Bryanaam said:
y=ln (e^x + 5) y'= 1/ ( e ^ x + 5) , where is the extra e^x coming from in the first line of the solution.
You have to use the chain rule: y = ln(u) with u = e^x + 5; then y' = dy/du * du/dx

For the rest of your question we'll have to wait to see the attachments.
 
As CompuChip said, the "extra" ex is from the chain rule:
ln(ex+ 5)= ln(u) with u= ex+ 5. dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)
dy/du= d(ln(u))/du= 1/u and du/dx= d(ex+ 5)/dx= ex
dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)= (1/u)(ex)= (1/(ex+5))ex)= ex/(ex+ 5).

The first attachment asks what happens to the slope of the tangent lines to y= ln(ex[/sup+ 5) as x increases and answers that it increases to a limit of 1.

The second explains that answer by noting that y'= ex/(ex+ 5), as above, and then does the following:
1) add and subtract 5
[tex]\frac{e^x}{e^x+ 5}+ 5- 5[/tex]
which is incorrectly shown!

Probably whoever did the "art" did not understand what was meant. It should be
[tex]\frac{e^x+ 5- 5}{e^x+ 5}[/tex]
with the "5, added and subtracted" in the numerator of the fraction. Of course, since 5- 5= 0, those are equal. Now separate into two fractions
[tex]\frac{e^x+ 5}{e^x+ 5}- \frac{5}{e^x+ 5}= 1- \frac{5}{e^x- 5}[/tex]
As x increases without bound, so does ex and so does the denominator of the second fraction: the fraction goes to 0 so the entire expression goes to 1.

I would have done it a slightly different way, myself. From the original expression,
[tex]\frac{e^x}{e^x+ 5}[/tex]
instead of adding and subtracting 5, divide both numerator and denominator by ex:
[tex]\frac{\frac{e^x}{e^x}}{\frac{e^x+ 5}{e^x}}= \frac{1}{1+ 5e^{-x}}[/tex]
Now, as x increases without bound, 5e-x goes to 0 so that fraction goes to 1.
 
And a final way would probably to use l'hospital's rule, but I will not explain that unless the OP requests it because HallsofIvy shows the most common ways, apart from some general techniques with fractions which are quite important.
 
Thankyou so much Guys.. I think i got the idea now.. BTW Compuchip , what's this L'Hopital rule and how is it applied to this question. I'm curious to find out.. Is it a faster method for doing this problem?

Thanks in Advance.. You guys are awesome
 
l'hospital's rule can be used if you have to evaluate a limit
[tex]\lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)}[/tex]
where f and g separately tend to either 0 or (plus or minus) infinity. In other words, if just plugging in x = a would produce something like 0/0, or [itex]\infty / \infty[/itex] (or [itex]\infty / -\infty[/itex], [itex]-\infty / \infty[/itex] or [itex]-\infty / -\infty[/itex]).

In this case, you may calculate
[tex]\lim_{x \to a} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}[/tex]
and this is equal to original limit.

For your current problem, e^x blows up as x goes to infinity, so the limit would become of the form [itex]\infty / \infty[/itex].
Therefore, by l'hospital's rule,
[tex]\lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{e^x}{e^x + 5} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{(e^x)'}{(e^x + 5)'} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{e^x}{e^x} = \lim_{x \to \infty} 1 = 1.[/tex]

However, I suggest one of the methods HallsofIvy has shown in this case.
 

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