Solving the DE for $\phi$: Find $A,B,\phi$.

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation for a function $\phi$ defined piecewise, with a focus on finding the constants $A$, $B$, and the form of $\phi$ in the interval $I=(0,1)$. The problem involves conditions for continuity and differentiability across the defined intervals and requires participants to derive relationships between the constants based on these conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that $\phi$ satisfies the differential equation $y''=0$ in the interval $I$ and derives that $\phi(x) = c_1 x + c_2$ for $x \in I$.
  • Another participant questions the continuity of the derivative at $x=1$, suggesting that $c_1$ should equal $B e^{ik}$ instead of the previously stated expression.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction and suggests that $c_1$ should indeed be $B ik e^{ik}$, indicating a potential oversight in differentiation.
  • Subsequent posts propose specific values for $A$, $B$, $c_1$, and $c_2$, with one participant confirming agreement with these values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some disagreement regarding the correct expressions for $c_1$ and the relationships between the constants. However, there is a convergence on the proposed values for $A$, $B$, $c_1$, and $c_2$ in later posts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the continuity and differentiability conditions, as well as the specific forms of the constants derived from the limits at the boundaries of the intervals.

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Hello! (Wave)
Let $I=(0,1)$. Find solution $\phi$ that has a continuous derivative in $\mathbb{R}$ and satisfies:

$$y''=0 \text{ in } I \\ y''+k^2y=0 \text{ apart from I , where k>0}$$

and furthermore $\phi$ has the form:$\left\{\begin{matrix}
e^{ikx}+ A e^{-ikx} &, x \leq 0 \\
B e^{ikx} &, x \geq 1
\end{matrix}\right.$

i.e. find $\phi$ computing the constants $A,B$ and computing $\phi$ in the interval $I$.I have tried the following:

$\phi$ satisfies the differential equation $y''=0$ in $I$.

So $\phi''(x)=0 \Rightarrow \phi(x)= c_1 x + c_2, c_1, c_2 \in \mathbb{R}, \forall x \in I$.

$\phi$ has a continuous derivative in $\mathbb{R}$, so:

$$\lim_{x \to 0^{-1}} \phi(x)= \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \phi(x) \\ \lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi(x) \\ \lim_{x \to 0^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \phi'(x) \\ \lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi'(x) $$
$\lim_{x \to 0^{-1}} \phi(x)= \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \phi(x) \Rightarrow 1+A=c_2 (\star)$

$\lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi(x) \Rightarrow Be^{ik}=c_1+c_2 (\star \star)$

$\lim_{x \to 0^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 0^{+}} \phi'(x) \Rightarrow ik-ikA=c_1 (1)$

$\lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi'(x) \Rightarrow ik e^{ik}-ik A e^{-ik}=c_1 (2)$

$(1), (2) \Rightarrow ike^{ik}-ikAe^{-ik}=ik-ikA \Rightarrow A= \frac{e^{ik}-1}{e^{-ik}-1}$

Thus, $c_1=ik \frac{e^{-ik}-e^{ik}}{e^{-ik}-1}$

$(\star) \Rightarrow c_2=\frac{e^{-ik}+e^{ik}-2}{e^{-ik}-1}$

$(\star \star) \Rightarrow B=\frac{e^{-2ik}(ik+1)+(1-ik)-2}{e^{-ik}-1}$.Therefore,$\phi(x)=\left\{\begin{matrix}
e^{ikx}+ \frac{e^{ik}-1}{e^{-ik}-1} e^{-ikx} &, x \leq 0 \\
\frac{e^{-2ik}(ik+1)+(1-ik)-2}{e^{-ik}-1} e^{ikx} &, x \geq 1
\end{matrix}\right.$

and $\phi(x)=ik \frac{e^{-ik}-e^{ik}}{e^{-ik}-1} x+\frac{e^{-ik}+e^{ik}-2}{e^{-ik}-1} $ in $I$.

Is it right or have I done something wrong? (Thinking)
 
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Hey! (Evilgrin)

evinda said:
$\lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi'(x) \Rightarrow ik e^{ik}-ik A e^{-ik}=c_1 (2)$

Shouldn't that be:
$$\lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi'(x) \Rightarrow c_1 = B e^{ik} \qquad\qquad(2)$$
? (Wasntme)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey! (Evilgrin)
Shouldn't that be:
$$\lim_{x \to 1^{-1}} \phi'(x)= \lim_{x \to 1^{+}} \phi'(x) \Rightarrow c_1 = B e^{ik} \qquad\qquad(2)$$
? (Wasntme)

I retried it now... Don't we get $c_1= B ik e^{ik}$ ? Or am I wrong? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
I retried it now... Don't we get $c_1= B ik e^{ik}$ ? Or am I wrong? (Thinking)

You're right... I forgot to take the derivative... (Blush)
It's a bicycle! (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
You're right... I forgot to take the derivative... (Blush)
It's a bicycle! (Mmm)

So will we have the followng values? (Thinking)

$$B=\frac{2e^{-ik}}{2-ik} \\ c_1= \frac{2ik}{2-ik} \\ c_2=\frac{2i+2k}{2i+k} \\ A=\frac{k}{2i+k}$$
 
evinda said:
So will we have the followng values? (Thinking)

$$B=\frac{2e^{-ik}}{2-ik} \\ c_1= \frac{2ik}{2-ik} \\ c_2=\frac{2i+2k}{2i+k} \\ A=\frac{k}{2i+k}$$

That's what I get as well. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
That's what I get as well. (Nod)

Great... Thanks a lot! (Whew)
 

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