Solving the differential equation m^2 = 0?

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation r(d²u/dr²) + (du/dr) = 0. Participants explore the substitution u = r^m, which leads to the characteristic equation m² = 0. There is uncertainty regarding the choice of substitution and the subsequent form of the solution, u(r) = c₁ + c₂ ln(r).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind the substitution u = r^m, with some questioning whether it is a substitution or a guess. Others suggest alternative approaches, such as letting y = u'. There are inquiries about the nature of the solution and the terminology associated with the method used.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the problem. Some have offered alternative methods and insights into the nature of the solution, while others express confusion about the connections between the characteristic equation and the resulting solution form.

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Some participants mention a lack of familiarity with Euler equations, which may contribute to their confusion regarding the solution process. There is also a note on the use of constants in differential equation solutions, highlighting potential differences in notation.

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I have a problem that starts with the equation:

[itex]r\frac{d^2u}{dr^2} + \frac{du}{dr} = 0[/itex]

The solution I'm looking at says to do a substitution, letting [itex]u = r^m[/itex], which after differentiation and simplification results in:

[itex]m^2 = 0[/itex]

Up until this point, I understand (well, actually I don't understand how to know to do this substitution, but I understand how the differentiation and simplification happened), but then the next step says that because [itex]m^2 = 0[/itex]:

[itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex]

Question 1: How do you know to choose [itex]u = r^m[/itex] as the substitution?

Question 2: Why was that form of a solution chosen?

Question 3: Is there a name for this type of substitution and solution?

Thank you!
 
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Actually, that wouldn't have my first suggestion. I would have said let ##y = u'## making the equation ##ry' + y = 0## and notice that ##ry'+y=(ry)' = 0## so ##ry = C## and ##y = u' = \frac C r##. Hence ##u = C\ln r + D##.

If you multiply the original equation by ##r## so it looks like ##r^2u'' + ru' = 0## it becomes an Euler equation for which a standard method would be to try ##r^m##, if you have studied those.
 
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(1) The approach is to guess some sort of solution to the DE. It's not actually a substitution.
A good guess to try is one that makes every term in the DE contain the same function.

This particular guess is suggested by ##\sum_n r^{n-1}\frac{d^n u}{dr^n}=0## and works because ##r^{n-1}r^{m-n}=r^{m-1}## ... i.e. the same function for every term in the DE.
Basically - when you see a DE in that pattern, it is likely that u is a polynomial (but may not be).

[ref Euler equation]

(2) $$r\frac{d^2 u}{dr^2}+\frac{du}{dr}=0\\
u(r)=r^{m}\implies [m(m-1)+m]=0\\

\therefore m^2 = 0$$... which tells you that u=1 (or any constant) is a solution ... if somewhat trivial.

So the guess is unhelpful.

Try to think of something else. i.e. notice that the LHS in the DE is a product-rule expansion:
$$r\frac{d^2 u}{dr^2}+\frac{du}{dr}=\frac{d}{dr}\left( r\frac{du}{dr}\right)\\
\frac{d}{dr}\left( r\frac{du}{dr}\right)=0\implies\cdots$$

(3) it's called "trial and error" ;)

IIRC: In the case where a guess of the form u=rm for the above form of DE fails, the solution must therefore be of form u=a+b.ln|r|.
 
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Thanks for your reply LCKurtz!

In your solution, [itex]C[/itex] and [itex]D[/itex] are not constants, like they are in [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex], correct?

We haven't studied Euler equations as far as I can remember, which is probably why I'm so confused! Is [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex] a standard solution for a Euler equation?

I'm really confused how to jump from a characteristic equation of [itex]m^2 = 0[/itex] to [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex]...
 
C and D are constants just like yours - it's common to use caps for the arbitrary constants in DE solutions.
The jump is because it is always the case when m=0 so you just remember it like you jump from seeing six rows of seven objects to knowing you have 42 objects.

note: LaTeX can format many functions better if you put a backslash in front of the function abbreviation ... i.e. \ln|r| gets you ##\ln|r|##. Also works for log, exp, sin, arcsin, etc.
 
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Nat3 said:
Thanks for your reply LCKurtz!

In your solution, [itex]C[/itex] and [itex]D[/itex] are not constants, like they are in [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex], correct?

##C## and ##D## are constants.

We haven't studied Euler equations as far as I can remember, which is probably why I'm so confused! Is [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex] a standard solution for a Euler equation?

I'm really confused how to jump from a characteristic equation of [itex]m^2 = 0[/itex] to [itex]u(r) = c_1 + c_2 lnr[/itex]...

For constant coefficient DE's you may recall that when the characteristic equation has a double root ##r = \{c,c\}## you have solutions of ##e^{cx}## and ##xe^{cx}##. When you study Euler equations you will learn that when you have a double root of ##r = \{c,c\}## when you try ##x^r##, you get solutions ##x^c## and ##x^c\ln x##. Your text will probably show you why when you get to that section.
 
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