Solving the Einstein Quiz: Who is the Owner of the Fish?

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The discussion revolves around the famous Einstein quiz, which presents a logical riddle involving five houses, each with distinct owners characterized by their nationality, beverage, cigar brand, and pet. The central question posed is about identifying who keeps fish, despite the absence of any direct mention of fish in the problem's details.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the riddle's setup, questioning the fairness of the problem and the assumptions about the presence of fish. Some express skepticism about concluding that the German must have the fish based on the clues provided.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing differing perspectives on the interpretation of the clues and the validity of concluding that the German owns the fish. There is a notable exploration of the assumptions underlying the riddle and the implications of the phrasing of the question.

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Some participants highlight the lack of explicit mention of fish in the problem, raising concerns about the completeness of the information provided. The discussion also touches on the potential for misinterpretation based on how questions are framed.

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The famous Einstein quiz:

Einstein said that 98% of the people in the world cannot solve his riddle.

Facts:
1: There are 5 houses in 5 different colors
2: In each house lives a person with a different nationality.
3: These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet.
4: No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar or drink the same drink.

Further Details:
1: The Brit lives in a red house.
2: The Swede keeps dogs as pets.
3: The Dane drinks tea.
4: The green house is on the immediate left of the white house.
5: The green house owner drinks coffee.
6: The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.
7: The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
8: The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk.
9: The Norwegian lives in the first house.
10: The man who smokes Blend lives next to the one who keeps cats.
11: The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.
12: The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer.
13: The German smokes Prince.
14: The Norwegian lives next to the blue house.
15: The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water.

The question is ... WHO KEEPS FISH?

If you chart out the problem, lay out each clue graphically, and slowly build a picture of which persons, drinks and pets are in which houses. Its a logical, technical and involved process. If you do all this you inevitably conclude that it is the German who must have the fish.

But nowhere in the problem is even mentioned the word "fish", not in the "facts" and not in the "further details" list. So why would i want to think that when completing the map I see that German has no pet and the question is "who keeps the fish" and so the fish must be German`s. But at the same time German may have lion or duck or whatever pet. So from that I can conclude that there is no way we can say for sure that German has the fish. My friend argues that its german for sure who has the fish. Any opinions?
 
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It all boils down to whether you consider the problem "fair". If it is, then the question itself, "Who keeps fish?" imparts the information that one person keeps fish.
 
the first thing I thought when I finished reading that was, "who said anything about a fish"
 
I saw something in the show Numb3rs that refers to this phenomenon (or whatever this would be called):
If you get a friend, and let your friend watch you write down the numbers from 1 to, say, 9, then tell him/her to pick a number. You don't even have to point to your piece of paper and ask, just look up from your desk, with the paper and the number visible, and ask the question. Your friend will most likely automatically assume he/she has to pick a number of the list of numbers you've written.
Charlie (the character in numb3rs) used this example to explain how if you get a police line up and try to ask a witness to pick out the criminal, the witness would feel oblige to pick someone from the lineup, even if the real criminal is not there.
 
All I know is the German does not have a cat or horse or bird or dog:!) :!)
 

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I saw something in the show Numb3rs that refers to this phenomenon (or whatever this would be called):
If you get a friend, and let your friend watch you write down the numbers from 1 to, say, 9, then tell him/her to pick a number. You don't even have to point to your piece of paper and ask, just look up from your desk, with the paper and the number visible, and ask the question. Your friend will most likely automatically assume he/she has to pick a number of the list of numbers you've written.
Charlie (the character in numb3rs) used this example to explain how if you get a police line up and try to ask a witness to pick out the criminal, the witness would feel oblige to pick someone from the lineup, even if the real criminal is not there.

I saw something very similar on Baywatch. But it had more to do with identifying a boat passenger who was passed out on the deck out of view.

The riddle does not distiguinsh whether the owners of the houses have family or friends living with them who may indeed keep the fish. Every house may have a fish.
 

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