Solving the Electric Field of a Dipole - A Thundercloud Scenario

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The discussion centers on calculating the electric field at ground level beneath a thundercloud modeled as a vertical dipole with charges of +40C and -40C at heights of 10km and 6km, respectively. The method of images is employed to account for the ground as a perfect conductor. The formula used for the electric field of a dipole is E = -p/(2πε₀r³), but participants noted discrepancies in the expected result of 12.8 kV/m, suggesting the need for careful consideration of factors such as the contribution from the image dipole and the correct application of the dipole approximation.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of dipole electric fields
  • Familiarity with the method of images in electrostatics
  • Knowledge of electric field calculations in the context of conductors
  • Proficiency in using the formula E = 1/(4πε₀r^5)(3p·r - r²p)
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  • Review the method of images for electrostatic problems involving conductors
  • Study the derivation and application of the dipole electric field formula
  • Explore the conditions under which dipole approximations are valid
  • Investigate the effects of charge distribution on electric fields in complex geometries
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, electrical engineers, and researchers interested in electrostatics, particularly those working with dipole models and electric field calculations in atmospheric phenomena.

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I'm stuck on a question involving dipoles and what I am guessing to be the method of images...here goes:

The electrical system of a thundercloud can be represented by a vertical dipole consisting of a charge +40C at a height of 10km and a charge of -40C vertically below it at a height of 6km. What is the electric field at the ground immediately below the cloud, treating the ground as a perfect conductor?



To tackle this question I tried using the method of images to create an image dipole on the other side of the ground. Then using the formula for the E field of a dipole:

E = 1/(4pie0r^5)(3p.rr - r^2p)

Summing the two dipole electric fields, and taking into account the coefficient in the r must go to 0 so that there is no horizontal electric field, I get:

E = -p/(2pie0r^3)

But using the values given, I do not get the answer which is supposed to be 12.8kV, what have I done wrong?
 
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12.8kV ? That's the wrong units for a field.

PS : Post your textbook questions in the Coursework forum above.
 
I meant kVm-1
 
I get 12.8 kV/m, if I just find the field due to each charge (and it's image) and add the numbers.

I get 11.25 kV/m using the dipole equation you posted. I think you forgot a factor of 2 (when you add the field from the image). However, isn't this formula accurate only in the limit r >> a ?
 

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