Solving the Equation y=-2x^3-9x^2-60x

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation y = -2x^3 - 9x^2 - 60x, with participants exploring how to "solve" it. The scope includes potential methods for finding roots, clarifying the meaning of "solving" in this context, and discussing various interpretations of the original question.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the original poster needs to clarify what they mean by "solve," as it could refer to different problems associated with the function.
  • One participant proposes finding the roots of the function by setting it to zero and factoring, leading to the conclusion that x = 0 is one solution, while the quadratic part has no real solutions.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that finding roots is the only interpretation of "solving" a function, suggesting that other inquiries, such as finding extrema or sketching the function, could also be valid.
  • There is a contention regarding whether one can "solve" a function or if one only solves equations, with some arguing that functions do not possess roots in the same sense as equations.
  • Participants express frustration over the lack of clarity in the original question and the ensuing discussion, with some feeling that the responses have become unnecessarily complicated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of "solving" the function. There are multiple competing views on what the original poster intended, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the ambiguity in the original question, noting that without specific y-values or context, the interpretation of "solving" remains open to debate. There are also references to the importance of understanding the nature of functions versus equations in mathematical discussions.

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JonF said:
Marlon you apparently have no idea what a function is. I see that you have read the formal definition, that is good. But, apparently it’s meaning was lost on you.

A function simply is some transformation on a thing (let’s call it a dependent variable) turning into another thing (let’s call it a dependent variable). The function also has another requirement, when you transform an independent variable you only get one result.

So when you ask me to solve

f(x)=-2x^3-9x^2-60x

With out telling me what you want me to transform that independent variable it into, you aren’t supplying sufficient information.

The “-2x^3-9x^2-60x” part is what the transformation this particular function is. It takes an input, cubes it then, multiplies it by –2. After that it takes that same input squares it and multiplies it by –9. Then it takes the input and multiplies it by –60. And lastly it takes those three values and adds them together. What you wanted to know is when will this process give a result of 0. Another equally valid question is when will this process give a result of 10? Or 20?

Functions are very different from equations. With an equation you are trying to find a solution. Functions are entirely different ideas. With functions you give an input and get an output.

For example the function of your height over time could be: for all 0<t<20: f(t) = t(t-20)^(1/2) where f(t) is in inches and t is in years. It makes no sense to solve this equation for 0. Why would you want to know when you were 0 inches tall? But you might want to find out when (or if) you were going to be 6 feet tall. Which would be 72= t(t-20)^(1/2)


Back to your function. What you wanted to ask is what independent variable will make the function yield a value of 0. I.e. solve f(x)=0

But let’s say you wanted to figure out when the function gave a value of, oh 20. I.e. f(x)=20

Then you would get: 20=-2x^3-9x^2-60x
0=-2x^3-9x^2-60x-20

really? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



ps : make sure that if you want to correct someone, you do it the right way. Your definition of a function is not complete. For example can x = 6 be catagorized as a real function conform is mathematical definition? Besides a function is a relation and not a transformation.

Obviously you need to be more correct in your corrections :wink: :wink:

marlon
 

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