MHB Solving the General Bernoulli / Riccati Equation

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The discussion centers on solving a differential equation of the form y'(t) + Ay(t) + By(t)^m + c = 0, specifically exploring cases where c ≠ 0 and m is a real number. The original poster notes that when c = 0, the equation can be integrated as a Bernoulli equation, and when m = 2, it becomes a Riccati equation, which can also be transformed back to Bernoulli form. Participants suggest methods to manipulate the equation into a more solvable form, including variable substitutions that lead to a linear equation under certain conditions. Clarifications are made regarding the assumptions about the constants A, B, and C, and the implications of these assumptions on the separability of the equation. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of the general case and the potential for various approaches to find a solution.
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Hello,

I have an equation of the following form: y'(t) + Ay(t) + By(t)^m + c = 0

1/ With c=0, the equation is of the Bernoulli form, and might be integrated.
2/ With m = 2, it is a Riccati equation, which might be turn back to a Bernoulli one and then integrated

3/ My question is about the general case, with c#0 and m a real (not only a natural). Does it exist some way to solve this general equation? Maybe there is a method to turn it back to Riccati or Benoulli shape?

Thanks a lot for your help

/crevoise
 
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crevoise said:
Hello,

I have an equation of the following form: y'(t) + Ay(t) + By(t)^m + c = 0

1/ With c=0, the equation is of the Bernoulli form, and might be integrated.
2/ With m = 2, it is a Riccati equation, which might be turn back to a Bernoulli one and then integrated

3/ My question is about the general case, with c#0 and m a real (not only a natural). Does it exist some way to solve this general equation? Maybe there is a method to turn it back to Riccati or Benoulli shape?

Thanks a lot for your help

/crevoise


Let write the DE as...

$\displaystyle \frac{y^{\ '}+c}{y^{m}} + \frac{a}{y^{m-1}}=-b$ (1)

First we set...

$\displaystyle u=y+c\ x \implies u^{\ '}= y^{\ '} + c\ ,\ y^{m}= (u-c\ x)^{m} $ (2)

... so that (1) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{u^{\ '}} {(u-c\ x)^{m}} + \frac{a} {(u-c\ x)^{m-1}}= -b$ (3)

Now we set...

$\displaystyle v=\frac{1}{(u-cx)^{m-1}} \implies v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}\ u^{\ '}$ (4)

... and if $m \ne 1$ the (3) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{v^{\ '}}{1-m} + a\ v = -b$ (5)

... which is linear...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
Let write the DE as...

$\displaystyle \frac{y^{\ '}+c}{y^{m}} + \frac{a}{y^{m-1}}=-b$ (1)

First we set...

$\displaystyle u=y+c\ x \implies u^{\ '}= y^{\ '} + c\ ,\ y^{m}= (u-c\ x)^{m} $ (2)

... so that (1) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{u^{\ '}} {(u-c\ x)^{m}} + \frac{a} {(u-c\ x)^{m-1}}= -b$ (3)

Now we set...

$\displaystyle v=\frac{1}{(u-cx)^{m-1}} \implies v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}\ u^{\ '}$ (4)

... and if $m \ne 1$ the (3) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{v^{\ '}}{1-m} + a\ v = -b$ (5)

... which is linear...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Hello,

Thanks a lot for your answer.
I think yet there is a small mistake on it, on the second change:

$\displaystyle v=\frac{1}{(u-cx)^{m-1}} \implies v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}\ u^{\ '}$ (4)

I think it implies

$\displaystyle v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}(\ u^{\ '}-c)$

isn't it?
 
chisigma said:
Let write the DE as...

$\displaystyle \frac{y^{\ '}+c}{y^{m}} + \frac{a}{y^{m-1}}=-b$ (1)

First we set...

$\displaystyle u=y+c\ x \implies u^{\ '}= y^{\ '} + c\ ,\ y^{m}= (u-c\ x)^{m} $ (2)

... so that (1) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{u^{\ '}} {(u-c\ x)^{m}} + \frac{a} {(u-c\ x)^{m-1}}= -b$ (3)

Now we set...

$\displaystyle v=\frac{1}{(u-cx)^{m-1}} \implies v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}\ u^{\ '}$ (4)

... and if $m \ne 1$ the (3) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{v^{\ '}}{1-m} + a\ v = -b$ (5)

... which is linear...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

You might want to check step (4).
 
To the OP - Are A, B and C constant.
 
Yes, A, B and C are constant for the moment.
 
Then your ODE is separable. A much different animal if $A, B$ and $C$ are functions of $x$.
 
chisigma said:
Let write the DE as...

$\displaystyle \frac{y^{\ '}+c}{y^{m}} + \frac{a}{y^{m-1}}=-b$ (1)

First we set...

$\displaystyle u=y+c\ x \implies u^{\ '}= y^{\ '} + c\ ,\ y^{m}= (u-c\ x)^{m} $ (2)

... so that (1) becomes...

$\displaystyle \frac{u^{\ '}} {(u-c\ x)^{m}} + \frac{a} {(u-c\ x)^{m-1}}= -b$ (3)

Proceeding in correct way from (3) now we set...

$\displaystyle v=\frac{1}{(u-cx)^{m-1}} \implies v^{\ '}= \frac{1-m}{(u-c\ x)^{m}}\ (u^{\ '}-c)$ (4)

... so that if $m \ne 1$ the (3) becomes in some steps...

$\displaystyle v^{\ '}= (m-1)\ (a\ v+ c\ v^{\frac{m}{m-1}}+ b)$ (5)

... where the variables are separated...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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