Solving the Gravitational Field Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origins of specific predictions made by Einstein in the context of his General Theory of Relativity, particularly regarding the gravitational field equations. Participants explore whether Einstein needed to solve these equations to derive predictions related to the precession of Mercury's orbit, the bending of light by matter, and the effects of gravity on the passage of time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Einstein did not present solutions to the gravitational field equations in 1915 but had derived predictions from earlier forms of the equations.
  • Another participant clarifies that Einstein did not need a full solution to the field equations to derive the predictions; an approximate solution for weak fields sufficed.
  • A claim is made that time passes more slowly at a lower gravitational potential, which is stated to be distinct from the gravitational field itself.
  • It is suggested that the time dilation effect can be predicted from the Principle of Equivalence and does not require the full field equations, unlike the other two predictions.
  • Another participant challenges the applicability of the Principle of Equivalence over large changes in height, indicating limitations in its explanatory power for observable differences in gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravitational potential and gravitational fields, particularly regarding time dilation. There is no consensus on whether the predictions require full solutions to the field equations or can be derived from approximate solutions or principles like the Principle of Equivalence.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between gravitational potential and gravitational fields, as well as the limitations of the Principle of Equivalence in explaining time dilation over large height changes. There is also mention of the historical context of Einstein's work and the timing of observational confirmations.

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In 1915 Einstein presents to the Prussian Academy of Sciences the General Theory of Relativity; it includes a set of Gravitational Field Equations; at this time he does not present any solution to the equations.

In 1917 he considers a greatly simplified case; presents a solution and adds the cosmological constant to give a solution which yields a static universe.

My question:
Where do the following results come from, did he have to solve the equations to conclude the following?
1) The correct prediction of the amount of precession of the orbit of Mercury.
2) The correct prediction of the amount of bending of light by matter.
3) Time passes more slowly in a gravitational field.
 
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genefalk said:
In 1915 Einstein presents to the Prussian Academy of Sciences the General Theory of Relativity; it includes a set of Gravitational Field Equations; at this time he does not present any solution to the equations.

This isn't quite true. What Einstein presented on November 25, 1915 was the final form of the field equations; but he had already published several previous forms of them, and he had already derived predictions for your three items from those previous forms. Those predictions were unchanged for the final form of the field equations (which he kept pursuing for reasons which had nothing to do with these particular predictions). Only the first could be compared with observations at the time, and it was correct. The other two predictions had to wait for observations to catch up; there were no observations that could test them in 1915, or in 1917 for that matter.

In order to derive all of these predictions, Einstein did not need a full solution to the field equations; he only needed an approximate solution for weak fields. That is why he was able to derive those predictions without knowing any full solution (the first such was discovered by Schwarzschild soon after Einstein published the final form of the field equations). But the approximate solution he used to derive the predictions certainly counts as a partial solution.
 
genefalk said:
3) Time passes more slowly in a gravitational field.
This is inaccurate. Time runs more slowly at a lower gravitational potential, but this effect is not related to the field (which is the gradient of the potential). At the center of the earth, there is no gravitational field due to the earth, but the potential is lower and the time runs more slowly than it does higher up.

As far as I know, the time dilation effect can be predicted from the Principle of Equivalence (i.e. that gravity is locally equivalent to acceleration) and does not require Einstein's Field Equations, unlike the other two effects.
 
Jonathan Scott said:
As far as I know, the time dilation effect can be predicted from the Principle of Equivalence (i.e. that gravity is locally equivalent to acceleration)

Only locally. The EP cannot explain time dilation over a large enough change in height that differences in g are observable (since it can't even be applied over a patch of spacetime that large).

Jonathan Scott said:
and does not require Einstein's Field Equations, unlike the other two effects.

This is my understanding as well.
 

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