Solving the Mystery of the Operator: $\partial^2$

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The discussion revolves around the operator $\frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_y} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_z} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_z\partial_y}$, particularly its meaning and implications in the context of field theory. Participants explore its mathematical properties and potential physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express unfamiliarity with the operator, questioning its significance in field theory.
  • One participant suggests that the operator can be represented as $\frac{1}{2} \left ( \begin{bmatrix} 0 &1 &1\\ 1 &0 &1\\ 1 &1 &0 \end{bmatrix} \nabla \right ) \cdot \nabla$, drawing a connection to the scalar triple product.
  • Another participant proposes that the operator represents half the divergence of a 3D symmetric curl, involving a symmetric permutation operator similar to the Levi-Civita symbol.
  • There is a mention of the divergence of the usual curl being identically zero, raising questions about the physical interpretation of the discussed operator.
  • A later reply indicates that the matrix representation is another way to express the symmetric curl.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the physical interpretation of the operator, and multiple competing views regarding its mathematical representation and significance are present.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the operator's properties and its context in field theory remain unclear, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the discussion.

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Has anyone come across this operator ?

[tex]\frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_y} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_z} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_z\partial_y}[/tex]

I've never seen it until it came up in a field theory context. What can it mean ?
 
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Mentz114 said:
Has anyone come across this operator ?

[tex]\frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_y} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_x\partial_z} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial_z\partial_y}[/tex]

I've never seen it until it came up in a field theory context. What can it mean ?

Hm, I've never seen it used in any context before. Where did you see it, maybe it's interesting to me, as well.:smile:
 
I was just fiddling around a bit and I noticed that the operator above equals

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \left ( \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &1 &1\\<br /> 1 &0 &1\\<br /> 1 &1 &0<br /> \end{bmatrix} \nabla \right ) \cdot \nabla[/tex]

which kind of reminds me of the scalar triple product

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \nabla \cdot \left ( \begin{bmatrix} 1\\ 1\\ 1\end{bmatrix} \times \nabla \right )[/tex]
 
The operator is half the divergence of a 3D symmetric curl,

[tex]\nabla^{i} \cdot ( s_{ijk}\partial^{j}A^{k})[/tex].

where s is a symmetric permutation operator, which is like the Levi-Civita symbol, but with positive value where the L-C has a negative.( I can't write this in vector notation just now)

I'm not sure it has any physical interpretation. Given that the divergence of the usual curl is identically zero, I thought this thing might mean something.

foxjwill, you are right, I noticed also what you say. I haven't come across that weird matrix in other context.

M
 
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foxjwill,

I've realized that this

[tex]\frac{1}{2} \left ( \begin{bmatrix}0 &1 &1\\1 &0 &1\\1 &1 &0\end{bmatrix} \nabla \right )[/tex]

is another way to write the symmetric curl.
 

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