Flat s-t 4d killing vectors via solving killing equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of Killing vectors in the context of flat spacetime, specifically through the Killing equation. Participants explore the implications of index notation, the relationship between covectors and vectors, and the classification of transformations such as translations, boosts, and rotations.

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  • One participant presents the Killing equation as ##\nabla_u V^v + \nabla_v V^u = 0##, while another corrects this to ##\nabla_u V_v + \nabla_v V_u = 0##, emphasizing the importance of the metric tensor in the equation.
  • There is confusion regarding the use of index notation, particularly whether to use covariant or contravariant indices when applying the Killing equation.
  • Participants discuss the nature of transformations, with one asserting that the expressions for boosts and rotations are incorrectly labeled, prompting a correction from another participant.
  • One participant questions whether the expression ##z\partial_y - y\partial_z## is a rank (1,1) object, while another clarifies that it is a vector field, a (1,0) object.
  • Another participant notes that the Killing equation can be simplified in inertial coordinates to ##\partial_\mu V_\nu + \partial_\nu V_\mu = 0##, suggesting that constant vector fields satisfy this equation.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the fundamental theorem of Riemann geometry and how it relates to the covariant derivative and the metric tensor.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to explicitly solve the Killing equation and how to handle the indices involved.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the correct formulation of the Killing equation and the classification of transformations. There is no consensus on the best approach to handle index notation or the implications of the relationships between covectors and vectors.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about the correct use of indices in the Killing equation and the classification of certain vector fields. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with differential equations involving indices.

  • #31
The discussion seems to overcomplicate things. What you want to solve is the Killing equation
$$\partial_{\mu} V_{\nu} + \partial_{\nu} V_{\mu}=0.$$
The trick to find the general solutions is to first take one more derivative of this equation:
$$\partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} V_{\nu} + \partial_{\rho} \partial_{\nu} V_{\mu}=0.$$
Now write down also the other two equations obtained from this by simply cyclically permute the indices:
$$\partial_{\mu} \partial_{\nu} V_{\rho} + \partial_{\mu} \partial_{\rho} V_{\nu}=0,\\
\partial_{\nu} \partial_{\rho} V_{\mu} + \partial_{\nu} \partial_{\mu} V_{\rho}=0.$$
Now add the first two and subtract the last equation. Using that partial derivatives commute, this leads to
$$\partial_{\rho} \partial_{\mu} V_{\nu}=0.$$
This means all 2nd deviatives of ##V_{\nu}## vanish, so that it must be a linear equation of ##x^{\mu}##:
$$V_{\nu}=T_{\nu} + \omega_{\nu \mu} x^{\mu}.$$
However, the 1st-order equation is more restrictive than the 2nd-order equation. So we must check this result with the first-order equation. Indeed
$$\partial_{\rho} V_{\nu} + \partial_{\nu} V_{\rho}=\omega_{\nu \rho} + \omega_{\rho \nu} \stackrel{!}{=} 0.$$
This implies that
$$\omega_{\mu \nu}=-\omega_{\nu \mu}.$$
Now remember that ##V_{\mu}## describes infinitesimal transformations of the coordinates that are symmetries. It's obvious that the ##T_{\nu}## define spacetime translations and the ##\omega_{\mu \nu}## Lorentz transformations (i.e., boosts and rotations and any combination thereof), and these are the well-known symmetries of Minkowski spacetime.
 
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@binbagsss please stop quoting people's entire posts in your responses, it just clutters up the thread. Please quote only the particular things you are directly responding to.
 

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