Solving the Wave Equation for c and Examining Potential/Kinetic Energy Equality

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The discussion revolves around the wave equation for an infinite string, specifically exploring the conditions under which a given function is a solution and examining the equality of potential and kinetic energy associated with a wave packet.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the value of c in relation to the wave equation and question whether the proposed solution satisfies the equation. There are attempts to calculate kinetic and potential energy, with some expressing confusion over their equality.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and insights regarding the derivatives involved in the wave equation, while others have expressed uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the relationship between the energies and the solution's validity.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the wave equation and are attempting to reconcile their findings with the requirements of the homework assignment. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations and assumptions that may affect the outcomes.

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Homework Statement



I'm given that the motion of an infinite string is described by the wave equation:

(let D be partial d)

D^2 y /Dx^2 - p/T D^2/Dt^2 = 0

I'm asked for what value of c is Ae^[-(x-ct)^2] a solution (where A is constant)

Then I am asked to show that the potential and KE of the wave packet are equal..

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I am guessing the value of c is root(T/p)?since the solution is a function of (x-ct) so this corresponds to D'Alembert..But then PE and KE don't seem equal...

KE = integral from -infinity to + infinity of 1/2 p A^2 e^[4c^2(x-ct)] while PE = integral from - inf to + inf of 1/2 p A^2 c^2 e^[-(4x-ct)]..and these don't seem equal..

any help?

thanks!
 
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Any ideas on this?
To me it doesn't even seem to obey the wave equation - though it is of the form (x-ct) which corresponds to the d'alembert solution.

yxx = Ae^-2 whereas ytt = Ae^(-2c^2)

Any ideas? Thanks
 
Hi
As you say one solution is c=\sqrt{T/p} but the kinetic energy is given by
E_k=p\frac{1}{2}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}(\frac{dy}{dt})^2 dx and the potential energy by E_p=T\frac{1}{2}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}(\frac{dy}{dx})^2 dx.

I hope this helps.
 
But if you look at my post above..it doesn't seem that c = root T/p will satisfy the equation..

Also i can't get hte KE and PE to be equal...
 
Okay, you have done something wrong in the calculations of \frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} and \frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}. I have
\frac{dy}{dx}=-2A(x-ct)e^{-(x-ct)^2},
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}=-2A(1-2(x-ct)^2)e^{-(x-ct)^2},
\frac{dy}{dt}=2Ac(x-ct)e^{-(x-ct)^2}
and
\frac{d^2}{dt^2}=-2Ac^2(1-2(x-ct)^2)e^{-(x-ct)^2}.
Thus for c=\pm \sqrt{T/p} is
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}-\frac{p}{T}\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}=0
satisfied. With the expressions above it's also easily seen that E_k=E_p.
 
Oh i see where I went wrong.. Thank you so much for your help! :)
 

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