Working out the kinetic energy of a body due to a gravitational field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy of a body influenced by a gravitational field, specifically through the application of energy conservation principles. The original poster explores the relationship between gravitational potential energy (GPE) and kinetic energy (KE) in the context of work done by gravitational forces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to set up an energy equation involving initial and final kinetic and potential energies, questioning the validity of their approach when comparing it to other sources. They express confusion regarding the treatment of work done by gravity and its relation to kinetic energy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, with some providing clarifications about the treatment of work done by gravity in the context of potential energy. There appears to be a productive exploration of the definitions and implications of potential energy in relation to work done by gravitational fields.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and roles of gravitational potential energy and work done by gravitational forces, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's setup.

etotheipi
Homework Statement
Explain how to calculate the kinetic energy of a body brought from rest at infinity to some distance x from another massive body by its gravitational field.
Relevant Equations
PE = -GMm/r
Usually when setting up an energy equation I use the general form, (Initial KE) + (Initial PE) + (Any other work done to the body) = (Final KE) + (Final PE) ...

For this I said the initial GPE and KE are 0, and the work done by the field is GMm/x (derived by integrating a force of -GMm/r^2 from infinity to x)
, so I end up with the equation:

0 + (Work done) = (Final PE) + (Final KE)
GMm/x = - GMm/x + KE

However this gives me a result of KE = 2GMm/x, whilst other sources I have found state that we can simply equate the work done to the kinetic energy. I was wondering what the correct solution would be? Thank you in advance
 
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etotheipi said:
Any other work done to the body
You have already counted work done by gravity in the GPE change. It is not other work.
 
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haruspex said:
You have already counted work done by gravity in the GPE change. It is not other work.

I see. Would I be right in thinking then that potential energies are just useful ways of keeping track of the work done by their respective fields? It seems as though the maths works this way.
 
etotheipi said:
I see. Would I be right in thinking then that potential energies are just useful ways of keeping track of the work done by their respective fields? It seems as though the maths works this way.
Yes.
 

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