Solving Titration Problems: NaOH + Oxalic Acid

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The discussion revolves around the discrepancies observed in titration results when titrating NaOH with oxalic acid. Participants explore potential reasons for the variation in results, focusing on procedural details and the choice of indicators used in the titration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports inconsistent titration results, with values ranging from 25.3 mL to 27 mL, and seeks explanations for the discrepancies.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the titration procedure being followed to better understand the results.
  • A participant notes that the absence of an indicator would typically lead to less consistent results, expressing surprise at the reported consistency despite the lack of detail on the indicator used initially.
  • The original poster clarifies that phenolphthalein was used as the indicator, suggesting it is standard practice in titrations.
  • One participant points out that different indicators can yield different results and emphasizes the importance of this information in understanding the titration outcomes.
  • Concerns are raised about the reverse titration approach and the potential contamination of NaOH with carbonates, which could complicate the results by effectively titrating a weak base with a weak acid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the titration method and the implications of using phenolphthalein as an indicator. There is no consensus on the reasons for the discrepancies in results, and multiple competing perspectives remain regarding the procedure and its execution.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully detailed all procedural steps, and there are unresolved questions about the potential effects of contamination and the choice of indicator on the titration results.

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I am doing titration of NaOH with oxalic acid at school and none of my results are close together at all.

I got
1. 26.6 mL
2. 27 mL (although I want to discount this since I wasn't very careful with this)
3. 25.5 mL
4. 26 mL
5. 25.3 mL (For this titration I realized that there was some insoluble material at the bottom of my conical flask. Thus I wanted to discount this as well for possible risk of contamination)

Can someone explain any possible reasons for such large discrepancies? I have been very careful washed all my equipment etc. but still got bad results.
 
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Hard to say anything. At least please describe the procedure you are following.
 
It's just a simple titration. Measure 25 mL of NaOH solution (with unknown concentration) using a pipette and titrate it using 0.05M oxalic acid.
 
OK, judging from your description you didn't use any indicator to determine the end point. In such a case I am quite surprised your results are that consistent.
 
No I used phenolphthalein indicator. I thought in titration's it's kind of expected that an indicator will be used;hence didn't mention it in my previous post.
 
Different indicators will yield different results, so it is a crucial information.

Was this procedure suggested to you? Titrating oxalic acid with NaOH against phenolphthalein makes sense, but the reverse titration is a rather unorthodox idea, especially taking into account possible contamination of NaOH with carbonates. Effectively that would mean titration of a weak base with a weak acid, which never yields sharp end points.
 

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