Solving Yield Gone Wrong in Chemistry Lab

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The discussion revolves around a practical issue encountered during a recrystallization experiment in organic chemistry, specifically regarding the calculation of yield when the mass of the filter paper was not recorded. Participants explore methods to estimate the mass of the filter paper and address potential errors in the yield calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes forgetting to measure the mass of the filter paper, which complicates the calculation of the yield of pure benzoic acid.
  • Another participant suggests using statistical methods, such as standard deviation, to estimate the range of error due to the varying masses of filter papers.
  • A different participant proposes rinsing the filter paper with solvent to remove any residual benzoic acid and then weighing it, while also recommending that the same procedure be applied to an unused filter paper to check for solvent extraction.
  • There is a suggestion to leave spaces in lab reports for data collection to avoid missing important measurements in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of measuring the filter paper mass and suggest various methods to address the oversight. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to estimate the filter paper mass or the implications of the error on the yield calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the variability in filter paper mass and the potential for solvent extraction, highlighting the need for careful measurement and reporting in lab work.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in chemistry labs, particularly those involved in organic chemistry experiments and yield calculations.

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Yield gone wrong!

Hi, I just have a question about some practical things in a chemistry lab and errors.
:rolleyes:
We carried out a recrystallization experiment of benzoic acid and napthalene :zzz: last week and during one of the steps where i was supposed to transfer my pure sample of benzoic acid from a 5mm calibrated test tube onto a filter paper and dry in an electric oven to weigh the mass obtained and calculate the %yield (all of the apparatus used is for macroscale organic chemistry experiments...oh i forgot to mention that this is an organic chemistry experiment, unless its obvious :-p ) i forgot to measure the mass of the filter paper itself and it seems that the filter papers have quite big differences in mass...my friend recorded a filter paper mass of 0.766g
so now all i have is the weight of the pure benzoic acid and filter paper which is 0.879g...so i can't find the mass of pure benzoic acid now since i don't know the weight of the filter paper and hence can't calculate the yeild.
my question is if there is any method to obtain the mass of my filter paper? is it a good idea to measure the mass of a few filter papers and take the average of them and use that value?

fyi i started with 0.103g of impure benzoic acid :shy:

thanks :)
 
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If the weights vary quite a bit you could use some simple statistics (st. dev or something) to give a good idea to the reader what range of error you might have. It should still be mentioned in your report/write-up that the filter mass wasn't taken originally and that an average mass of a few filters was substituted.
 
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remove the benzoic acid from the dry filter paper and rinse with solvent to completely remove it. Use acetone. dry filter paper and weigh.

Next time write out your lab leaving spaces (underlined) for data you need to collect. I know it is a pain, but it works. No need to do this once you become familiar with routine tasks.
 
thanks for the advice guys :) i'll keep it in mind


chemisttree: remove the benzoic acid from the dry filter paper and rinse with solvent to completely remove it. Use acetone. dry filter paper and weigh.

i'll definitely keep that in mind

(sorry i don't know how to use all the exact functions in here yet)
 
If you are going to be washing the filter paper with solvent to remove the benzoic acid it would be a good idea to do the same procedure to a unused filter. This would let you know if the solvent is extracting anything out of the filter (which shouldn't happen, but its still a good thing to check)
 
really good point dmoravec thanks :)
 

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