Some higher order differential equations

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The discussion revolves around higher order differential equations, specifically focusing on three distinct problems involving non-linear and complex forms. The subject area includes differential equations and their various solution techniques.

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  • Participants explore various methods for solving the equations, including reduction of order, algebraic manipulation, and searching for first integrals. Questions arise regarding the non-linearity of the equations and the applicability of different solution strategies.

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Some participants have made progress on the first equation, discussing the identification of a first integral and the transformation into a Riccati equation. Others express uncertainty about the remaining equations, indicating a lack of consensus on effective methods for those problems.

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Participants note the complexity and non-linearity of the equations, which may impose constraints on the types of solutions that can be pursued. There is also mention of the need for validation of solutions against the original equations, highlighting the challenges involved in working with non-linear differential equations.

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Homework Statement



a) s^2*t''+st*t'=s
b) y(dx/dy)^2=x^2+1
c) 17y''''-t^6*y"-4.2y^5=3cost(t)

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For part a I thought about doing a reduction of order but I can't because I have the variable s present. Not sure what my other options are.

Part b I solved for dx/dy but now I'm stuck. Can't think clearly

Part c I'm not even remotely sure on how to do this. I was thinking integrating factor but I don't know.
 
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You can solve (2) algebraically for dx/dy:
\frac{dx}{dy}= \pm \frac{\sqrt{x^2+ 1}}{\sqrt{y}}
and have two separable differential equations.

As for the other two, they are badly non-linear and I have no clue!
 
If the 1st one is

s^2\,t''+s\,t\,t'=s\Rightarrow t\,x''+x\,x'=1

then as HallsofIvy said it is non-linear. (I changed the notation a bit).
The general strategy for these ODE's are to search for Lie point symmetries. Unfortunately this one does not have any :frown:
A second approach is to search for a first integral of the equation, which is based on a search and a try method.

For this ODE if you try a first integral of the type

I=f(x,t)\,x'+g(x,t)=C

you can find that

I=t\,x'+\frac{1}{2}x^2-x-t=C

which is a Riccati type 1st order ODE. With the standard transformation you can convert it into a 2nd order homogeneous linear ODE which can be solved the help of Bessel functions.
 
By carefully following Rainbow Child's instructions I think I was able to solve the first equation. The first part was to find the first integral, which was indeed as stated:

f(x,t)\cdot x' +g(x,t)=C

The functions f and g can be found by taking the derivative with respect to t giving:

fx''+f'x'+g'=0

Setting this equal to the original equation gives then:

f(x,t)=t

and thus f'=0, and also

g(x,t)=\frac{x^2}{2}-x-t

We have now:

t\cdot x'+ \frac{x^2}{2}-x-t=C

or:

\frac{dx}{dt}-\frac{1}{t}\cdot x + \frac{1}{2t}x^2=\frac{C}{t}+1

The Riccati equation:

\frac{dx}{dt}+Q(t)x+R(t)x^2=P(t)

can be transformed by using:

x=\frac{u'}{Ru}

Doing this transforms the equation into:

t^2\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}-\frac{1}{2}(t+C)u=0

Which is a special case of the following extended Bessel equation:

t^2\frac{d^2u}{dt^2}+(2k+1)t\frac{du}{dt}- \left(\alpha^2t^{2r}+\beta^2 \right)u=0

Which has the solution:

u(t)=t^{-k}\left[AI_{\frac{\gamma}{r}}\left(\frac{\alpha}{r}t^r\right) + BK_{\frac{\gamma}{r}}\left(\frac{\alpha}{r}t^r\right) \right]

with:

\gamma=\sqrt{k^2-\beta^2}

The functions are the modified Bessel functions of the first and second kind of order \frac{\gamma}{r}.

In our case we have:

k=-\frac{1}{2} \qquad r=\frac{1}{2} \qquad \beta^2=\frac{C}{2} \qquad \alpha^2=\frac{1}{2}

and:

\frac{\gamma}{r}=\sqrt{1-2C}=n \qquad \frac{\alpha}{r}=\sqrt{2}

The solution is thus:

u(t)=\sqrt{t} \left[ A I_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) + B K_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) \right]

After transforming back to x(t) we get:

x(t) = 1+\sqrt{2t} \left[ \frac{\displaystyle \frac{A}{2} \left[I_{n-1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) + I_{n+1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) \right]- \frac{B}{2} \left[K_{n-1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) +K_{n+1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) \right]}{\displaystyle A I_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) + B K_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right)} \right]

Rewriting a little bit gives now:

x(t) = 1+\sqrt{\frac{t}{2}} \left[ \frac{\displaystyle \left[I_{n-1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) + I_{n+1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) \right]- D \left[K_{n-1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) +K_{n+1}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) \right]}{\displaystyle I_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right) + D K_{n}\left(\sqrt{2t}\right)} \right]

This solution has indeed two parameters C (in n) and D. To see if it is the correct one, it must be validated using the original equation. I haven't done this yet, the algebra is somewhat involved.

Non-linear differential equations are indeed not easy. Thanks to Rainbow Child for the instructions, it was a pleasure doing this calculation.

@ roldy: Is this the result you were looking for? Where exactly do these equations come from?
 

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