Some questions related to the Cosmological Constant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the cosmological constant (##\Lambda##) and its implications in cosmology, particularly in relation to energy density and static universe models. Participants explore definitions and relationships between various equations involving ##\Lambda##, energy density (##\epsilon_{\Lambda}##), and the Hubble parameter (##H(t)##).

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Barbara Ryden's book, stating that introducing ##\Lambda## into Poisson's equation allows for a static universe if ##\Lambda = 4\pi G\rho##, but questions the correctness of this definition.
  • Another participant suggests that the correct relationship should be ##\Lambda = 8\pi G\rho## and that the energy density of ##\Lambda## should be ##\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{c^4\Lambda}{8\pi G}##.
  • Concerns are raised about the derived expression ##\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{\rho}{2c^2}## being incorrect, with a call for clarification on the placement of constants.
  • Participants discuss whether ##\Lambda## is time-dependent, referencing the relationship ##\Lambda = \frac{3H^2\Omega_{\Lambda}}{c^2}## and its implications for cosmological models.
  • There is a debate on the significance of the factor of 2 in the equations, with some arguing it is dimensionless and does not affect the overall correctness of the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of definitions and relationships involving ##\Lambda## and energy density. There is no consensus on whether the definitions in Ryden's book are incorrect, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations and definitions may depend on specific assumptions and contexts, such as static versus dynamic models of the universe. The discussion highlights the complexity and potential ambiguity in the definitions of ##\Lambda## and related quantities.

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In Barbara Ryden's introduction to cosmology book its written that
"Introducing ##\Lambda## into the Poisson's equation allows the universe to be static, if you set ##\Lambda = 4\pi G\rho##"

Then later on, in the book energy density of the ##\Lambda## defined as ##\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{c^2\Lambda}{8\pi G}##

But this not make much sense. Since in this case
$$\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{c^2 4\pi G\rho}{8\pi G} $$
$$\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \rho/2 c^2 $$
Which is not correct.

From other sources I see that actually

##\Lambda = 8\pi G\rho## and
##\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{c^4\Lambda}{8\pi G}##

And it seems that other sources definition is the correct one. So the information on the book is wrong ? Or the ##\Lambda## for the static universe case is different then the general ##\Lambda## ?

Also,
##\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \frac{c^4\Lambda}{8\pi G}## and we know that ##\Omega_{\Lambda} = \frac{\epsilon_{\Lambda}}{\epsilon_c}##
and ##\epsilon_c = \frac{3H^2c^2}{8 \pi G}##

so we get

$$\Lambda = \frac{3H^2\Omega_{\Lambda}} {c^2}$$

So is this means that ##\Lambda## is actually a time dependent thing since it involves ##H(t)## and ##\Omega_{\Lambda}## ?
 
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Arman777 said:
$$\epsilon_{\Lambda} = \rho/2 c^2 $$
Which is not correct.
Its correct with ##c^2## in the numerator.
Arman777 said:
$$\Lambda = \frac{3H^2\Omega_{\Lambda}} {c^2}$$

So is this means that ##\Lambda## is actually a time dependent thing since it involves ##H(t)## and ##\Omega_{\Lambda}## ?
It only appears to be. With ##\Omega_\Lambda=\frac{8\pi{G}\rho_\Lambda}{3H^2}## you obtain ##\Lambda=8\pi{G}\rho_\Lambda##.
 
timmdeeg said:
Its correct with c2c2c^2 in the numerator.
Well 2 is dimensionless so it has not much effect on the equation itself. But I don't think its normal to have a 2.

timmdeeg said:
##\Lambda = 8 \pi G\rho_{\Lambda}##
So the equations on the book is wrong ?

timmdeeg said:
It only appears to be.
Hmm I see. Its also interesting. Then ##H^2(t)\Omega_{\Lambda}(t) = Constant## for all times
 
Arman777 said:
Well 2 is dimensionless so it has not much effect on the equation itself. But I don't think its normal to have a 2.
If you combine the first 2 equations in your OP you get 2 in the denominator. Nothing wrong.
Your first equation follows from the 2. Friedmann Equation with the 2. derivative of the scale factor set zero (because static).
 
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Hmm okay than
 

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