Some suggestions on learning algebra/trigonometry material

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The discussion revolves around self-teaching algebra and trigonometry in preparation for future mathematics courses, particularly in the context of the Australian education system. Participants explore the appropriateness of various textbooks and the necessity of mastering foundational concepts before advancing to pre-calculus and calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to self-teach algebra and trigonometry due to dissatisfaction with the current school curriculum, specifically mentioning the limitations of the Year 9 Extension program.
  • There is a suggestion to clarify goals regarding whether the study is aimed at qualifying for advanced courses or simply for personal interest.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for overconfidence or unhappiness with school courses if one learns material in advance without proper context.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of being proficient in trigonometry and algebra before attempting pre-calculus, questioning whether pre-calculus adequately covers necessary foundational material.
  • A recommendation is made to study a specific trigonometry book by Gelfand, highlighting the significance of trigonometry in mathematics education.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of mastering algebra and trigonometry before moving on to pre-calculus. Some advocate for a focused study on these foundational topics, while others suggest that pre-calculus may suffice without extensive prior knowledge.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the differences in educational systems, particularly in Australia, which may affect the relevance of certain textbooks and course materials. There is also a recognition of the participant's language background, which may influence communication clarity.

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Hello guys. Since this is my first post and I can't post in Pre-calculus Learning Material, I shall post it here.Now, to the topic.

I am passionate about learning maths, however, because I live in Australia and go to public school, the level of maths that they teach is miserable (Year 9 Extension program,they're only learning to solve quadratics). I am on the top of my class, but they won't allow me to skip straight to Methods (pre-calculus/calculus). So I've decided to self-teach myself. I wanted to give myself some good grounding in Algebra, so I acquired "College Algebra" by John W. Coburn (at very low price). If any of you have had this book, how would you rate it?

Also, I am planning to work through it on summer holidays. Would you recommend any other books for Algebra? Once I finish the book, i am planning on getting something to teach my-self Trigonometry? I prefer using books to on-line resources.

I know Trig to a point, but i still feel like I could get better grounding in it than I did in my school.

And lastly, is it a good idea to do that? I feel like that if I get a pre-calculus book, I will be able to learn from it, but later it will come and bite me for no being proficient enough in trigonometry and algebra alone.

Again, sorry if this post is in the wrong section. Ask anything that may interest you (I am from Australia, so excuse me for not knowing the equivalents of Algebra 1 or Algebra 2 etc.) Thank you :)
 
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And lastly, is it a good idea to do that?
By "that", do you mean study algebra instead of a book on pre-calculus or trig?

I think you must clarify your goals. If the purpose of your study is to qualify for skipping over some future courses, you should pick books that actually cover the material you are going to skip. Not being from Australia, I can't visualize what courses you might skip and what that material would be.

If you aren't happy with the level of math taught in your courses and you are not going to qualify to skip them, then you should consider whether learning the material in advance is going to make you even more unhappy with the courses - or perhaps overconfident about your knowledge.

If you want to study just for he sake of curiousity, you might be better off studying something unrelated to your future math courses, or something that those courses don't cover thoroughly. There are lots of things (such as physics and computer programming) that use math but aren't covered well in pure math courses.
 
Thank you for your response, Stephen. I realized that my thread was a bit unclear and with all the Australia stuff in our schools, most people wouldn't know about the education system, VCE etc. I will post a better response once i return from school, maybe explaining a bit better on my intentions.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
By "that", do you mean study algebra instead of a book on pre-calculus or trig?.

Well, exactly. Would it be a must to be proficient with trigonometric identities and be efficient when dealing with algebra material in general (such as functions, logarithms and linear/non-linear systems), before attempting pre-calculus material or does it cover all required material?I am a bit afraid (as i stated in previous post) that I would miss anything vital from algebra/trig. if I would go straight to learning pre-calc. (even though I am certain that i have an ability to do so.)

While my main intention is to cover most of the same material that they cover Year 11 Methods (Polynomial Differentiation, Matrices and Limits would probably be most difficult concepts there), I feel like i could get so much more, if I would go through algebra book solely, then go through Trigonometry solely, and then start on pre-calculus/calculus, rather then just going with the Methods book, which pretty much features bits and pieces of both.

Stephen Tashi said:
you might be better off studying something unrelated to your future math courses, or something that those courses don't cover thoroughly. There are lots of things (such as physics and computer programming) that use math but aren't covered well in pure math courses.
While i would say that my interest is driven by curiosity (and inability for school to have faster math course), I am interested in studying material that is given to us in later class (Year 11/12). Do you think that trying to teach myself maths could be bad?

Again, sorry if my explanations seem quite unclear, English is not my first language (Russian, came to Australia 4 years ago)
 
Trig is absolutely vital in mathematics. If you get the choice between studying trig or precalculus, I would choose trig hands down. If you want, you can even skip precalculus since it doesn't usually contain much interesting things.

Get the book "Trigonometry" by Gelfand and work through that: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817639144/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Being proficient in algebra, trig and geometry is much more important than precalc.
 
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