Some technical questions about Birkhoff's theorem

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The discussion revolves around Birkhoff's theorem in general relativity, exploring its implications, conditions, and potential counterexamples. Participants raise questions about the necessity of certain conditions in the theorem, the nature of singularities, and the concept of asymptotic flatness in relation to gravitational radiation.

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  • Some participants question the necessity of the "locally" condition in Birkhoff's theorem, suggesting that it may relate to topological considerations, such as in toroidal empty space.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of non-smooth joins in spacetime and whether they could violate the vacuum field equations, with some suggesting that such joins would indeed be problematic.
  • Participants explore the idea that naked singularities might not be spherically symmetric, with references to examples of rotating solutions and the potential for spherically symmetric naked singularities that do not meet the smoothness condition.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of gravitational radiation, specifically whether a pointlike source of gravitational quadrupole radiation could be considered asymptotically flat but not stationary, with some suggesting that curvature must converge to zero for asymptotic flatness.
  • There is a mention of shell singularities and whether they constitute true singularities, with some participants questioning if scalar observables blow up at those points.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of Birkhoff's theorem, the nature of singularities, and the conditions for asymptotic flatness. No consensus is reached on these topics, and multiple competing views remain present throughout the discussion.

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Participants note limitations regarding the smoothness conditions and the implications of topology on the theorem. There are unresolved questions about the nature of singularities and the requirements for asymptotic flatness.

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Here are two statements of Birkhoff's theorem:

"Any spherically symmetric solution of the vacuum field equations must be stationary and asymptotically flat." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkhoff's_theorem_(relativity)

"Any C2 solution of Einstein's empty space equations which is spherically symmetric in an open set V, is locally equivalent to part of the maximally extended Schwarzschild solution in V." -- Hawking and Ellis

Hawking and Ellis also remark that the C2 requirement can be relaxed to continuity plus piecewise C1.

Question #1: Why do H&E need "locally?" Can anyone give an example where this becomes relevant, preferably one that would constitute a counterexample if "locally" were omitted?

Question #2: Presumably smoothness is needed because otherwise you could stitch together counterexamples out of a patchwork quilt of random stuff; but wouldn't the non-smooth joins violate the vacuum field equations? Or is it possible to have "kinks" in a spacetime without violating the vacuum field equations? Presumably one would have to discuss this in terms of some kind of limiting process, since the field equations involve second derivatives of the metric, which won't even be well defined if the metric isn't a C2 function of the coordinates.

Question #3: I'm tempted to conclude from Birkhoff's theorem that naked singularities in GR can't be spherically symmetric, and this seems to be consistent with the fact that the examples in the WP article on naked singularities all seem to be rotating solutions that clearly aren't spherically symmetric. But I'm not clear on how the smoothness condition applies here. Maybe you could have a spherically symmetric naked singularity with a metric that wasn't C2, and it wouldn't violate Birkhoff's theorem?

Question #4: To me, the essential point of Birkhoff's theorem is that there's no such thing as gravitational monopole radiation. Am I right in thinking that, say, a pointlike source of gravitational quadrupole radiation would be considered asymptotically flat (because the curvature falls off faster than some power of r) but not stationary? The technical definition of asymptotic flatness (e.g., ch. 11 of Wald) is very complicated. Is there some rule of thumb about how fast some measure of curvature would typically have to fall off as a function of r if the spacetime was to be considered asymptotically flat?
 
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I suck at math, so take my answers with a grain of salt or treat them as questions if appropriate.

Question #1: Why do H&E need "locally?" Can anyone give an example where this becomes relevant, preferably one that would constitute a counterexample if "locally" were omitted?
Toroidal empty space. I think the locally means something like "up to topology".
Question #2: Presumably smoothness is needed because otherwise you could stitch together counterexamples out of a patchwork quilt of random stuff; but wouldn't the non-smooth joins violate the vacuum field equations?
I think they would. I don't know if there are possible solutions with a kink in the Weyl curvature, however. Doesn't seem reasonable.
Question #3: I'm tempted to conclude from Birkhoff's theorem that naked singularities in GR can't be spherically symmetric
What about shell singularities? Like crossing shells in a LT dust.
Am I right in thinking that, say, a pointlike source of gravitational quadrupole radiation would be considered asymptotically flat (because the curvature falls off faster than some power of r) but not stationary?
Not static, but stationary, I think.
Is there some rule of thumb about how fast some measure of curvature would typically have to fall off as a function of r if the spacetime was to be considered asymptotically flat?
I think it's enough if it converges to zero, no matter how fast.
 
Thanks, Ich!

Ich said:
What about shell singularities? Like crossing shells in a LT dust.
Are those really singularities in the sense that scalar observables blow up there?
 
I think that the density blows up, but that could be a harmless kink.
 
bcrowell said:
Question #3: I'm tempted to conclude from Birkhoff's theorem that naked singularities in GR can't be spherically symmetric, and this seems to be consistent with the fact that the examples in the WP article on naked singularities all seem to be rotating solutions that clearly aren't spherically symmetric. But I'm not clear on how the smoothness condition applies here. Maybe you could have a spherically symmetric naked singularity with a metric that wasn't C2, and it wouldn't violate Birkhoff's theorem?

Maybe if the singularity is hidden in matter, so that we don't have a vacuum solution near it, although the vacuum solution may be used in the exterior?

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0608136
 

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