Some trouble with my force calculations

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving force calculations. The first problem involves two blocks on a frictionless table with a force applied to one block, and the second problem concerns a window washer using a pulley system to raise herself at constant speed. Participants are attempting to calculate contact forces and accelerations based on given masses and forces.

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  • Participants are calculating the acceleration of the system and the contact force between the blocks. There are attempts to analyze forces using free body diagrams. Questions arise regarding the correct application of forces and whether the force from one block affects the other.

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Some participants have provided calculations and reasoning, while others express confusion about the results. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problems, with no clear consensus on the answers yet.

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Participants mention discrepancies in their calculations and the strictness of the software grading, indicating that small differences in numerical values may lead to incorrect assessments. There is also a note about unusual notation in the problem statement.

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I have 2 problems I'm having trouble with right now.(actually more but I'll ask 2 and try to figure out the others for now.

Two blocks are in contact on a frictionless table. A horizontal force F is applied to M2, as shown. If M1 = 1.06 kg, M2 = 3.38 kg, and F = 4.75 N, find the magnitude of the contact force between the two blocks.
I calculated the acceleration of the entire system to be 1.069m/s^2 but don't know where to go from there.

A window washer pulls herself upward using the bucket-pulley apparatus shown in figure below.

How hard must she pull downward to raise herself slowly at constant speed? The mass of the person plus the bucket is 61.5kg.

Correct, computer gets: 3.01e+02 N

If she increases this force by 10.3 percent, what will her acceleration be?
I answered the first part, and for the second part have determined that if she increases her force ten percent to ~331N, that the acceleration upward would be 662N-601N/mass, but this is incorrect.

Homework Equations


F=ma?
 
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I keep doing the second one like this, and keep getting .98m/s/s

301x1.1=331.1x2=661-601=60.1/61.5kg=.98m/s/s which is not right
 
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Draw a free body diagram of each block separately and analyse the forces acting on it.
 
Kurdt said:
Draw a free body diagram of each block separately and analyse the forces acting on it.

OK I just did so and got the 4.75N initial force acting on M2, 3.6132N force acting due to acceleration, and on m1 I got 1.13314N in the same direction, so would I do 4.75+3.6132-1.13314? Or does the force from the push carry over to M1 as well?
 
I'm not sure what you mean with that but 3.613N is the answer. No further action needed.
 
Kurdt said:
I'm not sure what you mean with that but 3.613N is the answer. No further action needed.
I entered that and it said it was wrong? Weird
 
big_d said:
I entered that and it said it was wrong? Weird

Sorry, it was very close to what I got as an answer but not exactly the same. Try calculating again.
 
Kurdt said:
Sorry, it was very close to what I got as an answer but not exactly the same. Try calculating again.

I tried, all my tries are up so I missed it. Can anyone help on the other one?
 
I'm surprised they were so strict, it was only 0.003 off.
 
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Ya that's weird.
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can you guys see that picture?
 
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Hi big_d,

big_d said:
OK I just did so and got the 4.75N initial force acting on M2, 3.6132N force acting due to acceleration, and on m1 I got 1.13314N in the same direction, so would I do 4.75+3.6132-1.13314? Or does the force from the push carry over to M1 as well?

I believe the answer for the first problem would be 1.13 N. The acceleration of the entire system is 1.07 m/s^2, and the contact force is the only horizontal force acting on m1 (1.06 kg), so using F=ma gives 1.13 N.

If you want to get the same thing from m2, you would say that the force 4.75 is pushing in the direction of acceleration, the unknown contact force is pushing backwards, and the acceleration is 1.07 m/s^2, so using

(net force) = m a

gives

(4.75) - (contact force) = (3.38) (1.07) ---> contact force = 1.13 N
 
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big_d said:
I keep doing the second one like this, and keep getting .98m/s/s

301x1.1=331.1x2=661-601=60.1/61.5kg=.98m/s/s which is not right

I think this is the right procedure. However, when you don't round off the intermediate values, I get a value that is about 3 percet different from yours. Is that enough for the software to say the answer is wrong?
 
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I'm terribly sorry, I didn't realize the initial force was on the second block. Thats unusual notation though.
 

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