Basic Newton's Laws and Applied Force: 3 boxes

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves three boxes on a frictionless surface, with given masses and an applied force. Participants are tasked with calculating the acceleration, net forces on each box, and the contact forces between them, using Newton's second law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration and net forces, with some questioning the method for determining contact forces. There are suggestions to consider the forces acting on each box and the interactions between them.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the calculations provided, while others seek clarification on the concept of contact forces and the correctness of their approaches. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the forces acting on the boxes.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the definitions and implications of contact forces, as well as the relationships between the boxes under the applied force. There is a focus on understanding the interactions without definitive conclusions being reached.

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Homework Statement


Three boxes are in contact with each other on a frictionless horizontal surface as shown. The masses of the boxes are m1 = 10 kg, m2 = 20 kg, and m3 = 30 kg. A horizontal force F = 90 N is applied to m1.
Calculate:
a. the acceleration of the three boxes.
b. the net force on each box.
c. the contact forces between the boxes.

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Homework Equations


Newtons second law
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


total mass = 60 kg
F = ma

1) a = F/m = 90/60 = 1.5 m/s^2

2) net force on each box
F1 = m1a = 10*1.5 = 15N
F2 = m2a = 20*1.5 = 30 N
F3 = m3*a = 30 *1.5 = 45 N

Am I missing forces in calculating the net force?

c) contact force
90-15 = 75 N btwn 1st and 2nd box
75- 30 = 45 N btwn 2nd and 3rd box

The above is my best guess although I am not confident that this is the way to calculate contact forces. (What are contact forces?) Should I be using something like f=(F*(m2+3))/(m1+(m2+3) or f=(F*m2)/(m1+m2) to find the contact force between boxes 1 and 2?
 
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there's a two force which affects first two boxes (m1 and m2).But there's only one force effects third box which is contact between m2 and m3.Contant force means If you push m1 the force will affect the system and in the system m1 will push m2.But every force has a opposite force so m2 applies force on m1.
For this problem,If you want to answer question quick,start with the last box.there's one force act it.Find that force.

Your find the acceleration right.
After find that force think this way.
there's one box in the middle which its m2.Now there's two forces acting on it the contant force between m2 and m3 and contant force between m1 and m2.And their net force will be m2a=F which its 30N.

To this solution step by step.Youll find the answer
 
cassie123 said:
The above is my best guess although I am not confident that this is the way to calculate contact forces.

You should be more confident as you've got the solution precisely correct.
 
I did not notice you were right.What a shame for me
 
PeroK said:
You should be more confident as you've got the solution precisely correct.

So it's right as shown? Never mind the other guesses for contact force? Thanks so much!
 
RyanH42 said:
there's a two force which affects first two boxes (m1 and m2).But there's only one force effects third box which is contact between m2 and m3.Contant force means If you push m1 the force will affect the system and in the system m1 will push m2.But every force has a opposite force so m2 applies force on m1.
For this problem,If you want to answer question quick,start with the last box.there's one force act it.Find that force.

Your find the acceleration right.
After find that force think this way.
there's one box in the middle which its m2.Now there's two forces acting on it the contant force between m2 and m3 and contant force between m1 and m2.And their net force will be m2a=F which its 30N.

To this solution step by step.Youll find the answer

Thanks for your explanation! :)
 

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