# Homework Help: Sound: Stones falling from cliffs

1. Feb 14, 2015

### Ritzycat

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A stone is dropped from the top of a cliff. The splash it makes when striking the water below is heard 2.1s later. The speed of sound in air is 343 m/s. How high is the cliff?

2. Relevant equations
$$Δx=½at^2$$
$$t_1+t_2=2.1s$$
$$t_2=x/343m/s$$

3. The attempt at a solution
I used those equations to mathematically solve for the value of x. However I was getting bizarre answers when I solved the system of equations. t1 or t2 should not be more than 2.1s, as that is the total time from when it was dropped and the sound travelled back up. I set down as negative, so I used -9.8 for a.

2. Feb 14, 2015

### Suraj M

I'm sorry but i don't understand why you used a as -9.8m/s², if you took that as your sign convention,then your first equation would be,
-x=½(-9.8)t₁².
Post your calculation, you should be getting an equation with √x and x.

3. Feb 16, 2015

### Ritzycat

after some manipulation/substitution

$$343/t_2=0.5(9.8)(2.1-t_2)^2$$

$$t_2=5.6s$$

T2 being the amount of time it takes for the sound to travel back up to the top of the cliff. It should not be a longer amount of time than the time it takes for the stone to fall AND for the sound to come back up. (2.1s) I don't know what's wrong here!!!

4. Feb 16, 2015

### BvU

Do you think 343/t2 has the dimension of a distance ? If sound travels 343 m/s, does it go 171.5 m in 2 seconds ?

5. Feb 16, 2015

### PeroK

This is a bit tricky. Can you estimate what h is?

6. Feb 16, 2015

### BvU

Dear Ritz,

Physics is also about gut feeling. If something falls less than 2.1 seconds, it doesn't fall much further than ${1\over 2}\; 9.81 \; 2^2 \approx 20$ meter. So t2 is really small. If you get 5.6 seconds, you know it's wrong.

You knew it was wrong anyway, right ? I saw you write t1 + t2 = 2.1 somewhere and I don't think going back in time is in order here