Space Travel: Overcoming Cosmic Radiation Challenges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges posed by cosmic radiation for astronauts during extended space travel. Participants explore potential solutions for shielding against radiation, the feasibility of using materials like ice, and the implications of human versus robotic missions in space exploration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the need for effective radiation shielding during space travel, especially during solar flares, suggesting that turning the spacecraft end-on may provide some protection.
  • There is a proposal that a sufficient thickness of ice could block most radiation threats, though the exact thickness required remains uncertain.
  • One participant notes the weight advantages of ice compared to lead for shielding, suggesting that using ice could allow for greater depth of shielding without excessive weight penalties.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of sourcing ice in space rather than launching it from Earth, considering water as a common resource in the universe.
  • There is a viewpoint that human space missions beyond low Earth orbit are unlikely to occur soon, with some advocating for robotic exploration instead.
  • Participants debate the effectiveness of human versus robotic missions, with some arguing that robots can be more reliable and less risky than human crews, while others assert that humans can handle unexpected challenges better than machines.
  • The discussion includes references to fictional scenarios, such as those depicted in movies, to illustrate points about human capabilities and the risks involved in space missions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and desirability of human space missions versus robotic exploration. There is no consensus on the best approach to addressing cosmic radiation challenges or the future of human space travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about the effectiveness of proposed shielding methods and the risks associated with human space travel. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the reliability of technology and the implications of human involvement in space missions.

  • #31
somebodyelse said:
Sooner or later humans *need* to settle on another planet to avoid accidental extinction
This is a very optimistic statement. The reaction of humans to disasters in general is not to think 'long term', it's more likely that any serious thread will be dealt with after the fashion of the population of Easter Island - virtual self destruction, instead of dealing with the problem of lack of resources. (That example is, of course only the view of some anthropologists but it's a very reasonable scenario).
One good Ice Age or the opposite could cause an extinction well before human technology could take us away from the problem. But these arguments have been visited time and again on PF and we never agree on a possible outcome of this.
 
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  • #32
Computers are still stupid. They outperform humans in specialized tasks with a very limited set of variables (like many games, where you can easily describe the rules and the full game state), but there is nothing that would even come close to a general artificial intelligence. This is not (only) a limit of computing power - even if we ignore hardware limitations, we don't have software we could run on faster computers that would behave intelligently.

We might have intelligent software before we sent humans to Mars - both timescales have a large range of estimates. Follow-up problem: Does it require a supercomputer or can we put it in a ton-scale lander?
 
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