Special relativity-analogy of rotation

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in the context of special relativity, specifically examining an analogy to rotation. Participants are analyzing the relationship between transformed coordinates and time, questioning the validity of an equation involving these transformations.

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  • Participants explore the transformation equations and their implications, questioning the equality of two expressions involving squared terms. Some suggest modifications to the original equation to achieve a valid form, while others raise concerns about dimensional consistency and the presence of terms.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various algebraic manipulations and checks. There is a mix of agreement and disagreement on the validity of certain steps, and some participants have pointed out potential errors in reasoning or assumptions. No consensus has been reached, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Homework Statement


Analogy to rotation:
$$(x')^2+(y')^2+(z')^2-c^2(t')^2=x^2+y^2+z^2-c^2t^2$$
It isn't

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformations:
$$x'=\frac{x-ut}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$
$$t'=\frac{t-ux/c^2}{\sqrt{1-u^2/c^2}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


##~(x')^2-c^2(t')^2~## must equal ##~x^2-c^2t^2## but it isn't so:
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})}{1-u^2/c^2}\neq x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
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Perhaps if you restore the square in the numerator of t'2 you'll fare better :rolleyes: $$
\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ = x^2-c^2t^2 \ \ !$$
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =\frac{x^2-2xut+u^2t^2-c^2t^2+2cxut-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(c-1)2xut+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
Nonsense. ##c## only occurs as ##c^2## so you can't have a ##c^1## in there. Another check you should do: dimensions: they don't fit !
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-u^2x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-u^2)x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
 
Numerator dimensions aren't the same: can't have ##x^2## and ##u^2 x^2## side by side. :confused:
 
$$\frac{(x-ut)^2}{1-u^2/c^2}-\frac{c^2(t-\frac{ux}{c^2})^2}{1-u^2/c^2}\ =...=\frac{x^2+u^2t^2-c^2t^2-\frac{u^2}{c^2}x^2}{(c+u)(c-u)/c^2}$$
$$=\frac{(1-\frac{u^2}{c^2})x^2+(u^2-c^2)t^2}{1-u^2/c^2}=x^2-c^2t^2$$
 
Bingo !
 
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