Special Relativity: Length Contraction Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem in special relativity, specifically focusing on length contraction as experienced by two starships moving at relativistic speeds. The original poster presents a scenario involving the starship Enterprise and the starship Galactica, where the Enterprise's length is measured from different reference frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the relative velocity of the Enterprise as observed from the Galactica and applies the length contraction formula. Some participants question the validity of the computed relative velocity, suggesting it should be closer to the speed of light.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in exploring different methods to compute the relative velocity and the resulting length contraction. There is a recognition of potential missteps in the calculations, and some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the problem may involve complexities related to relativistic speeds, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in their calculations. The original poster also notes a humorous aspect of the problem as presented by the professor.

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Hello! I have a small problem with a task professor gave us. I tried many options (you will see below) but I cannot seem to get the right solution. Any advice or guideline how to solve this would be really helpful. In advance I thank you for helping me.

Homework Statement


Our professor of physics has sense of humor, so he represented this task: starship Enterprise captain measures his ship to be ##4500## meters long. Enterprise passes Earth with velocity of ## 0.8 c_0 ##. In opposite direction, starship Galactica flies by with velocity of ##0.9 c_0##. Compute how long will Enterprise appear to Galactica's captain.

Homework Equations


Pretty obvious, this task will implement length contraction formula $$ L = \sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c_0^2}} L_0 $$. Also, according to solutions, final result should be ##684## meters.

The Attempt at a Solution


OK, so I began with computing Enterprise's velocity according to Galactica. Using ## v_e' = \frac{0.8c_0 - 0.9c_0}{1 - \frac{0.9c_0 \cdot 0.8c_0}{c_0^2}} = 0.35714c_0 ## I though I should just simply insert this into length contraction formula. It returned ##3608.1## meters.
Now I decided to use slightly different procedure. I used ## L = \sqrt{1 - \frac{v_e' v_{galactica}}{c_0^2}} L_0 ## but it returned ##3706.9## meters.

At this point I lost all hope. I really wish someone would be able to help me with this one.
 
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peroAlex said:
OK, so I began with computing Enterprise's velocity according to Galactica. Using v′e=0.8c0−0.9c01−0.9c0⋅0.8c0c20=0.35714c0 v_e' = \frac{0.8c_0 - 0.9c_0}{1 - \frac{0.9c_0 \cdot 0.8c_0}{c_0^2}} = 0.35714c_0 I

The two ships must have a relative velocity of close to ##c##. How can ##0.357c## be right?
 
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PeroK said:
The two ships must have a relative velocity of close to ##c##. How can ##0.357c## be right?

I used equation ## v_e' = \frac{v_e - v_g}{1 - \frac{v_e v_g}{c_0^2}} ## to determine velocity of Enterprise according to Galactica.. Same equation appeared in previous example and in our textbook so I assumed it must be correct. It returned ## v_e' = 1.07068 \cdot 10^8 m/s ##. I think I must be missing an important step in all of this but I can't seem to find it.
 
peroAlex said:
I used equation ## v_e' = \frac{v_e - v_g}{1 - \frac{v_e v_g}{c_0^2}} ## to determine velocity of Enterprise according to Galactica.. Same equation appeared in previous example and in our textbook so I assumed it must be correct. It returned ## v_e' = 1.07068 \cdot 10^8 m/s ##. I think I must be missing an important step in all of this but I can't seem to find it.

Forget relativity for a moment. If two cars are coming at you from opposite directions at ##80km/h## and ##90km/h## respectively. The relative speed of the two cars is?

a) ##170km/h##

b) ##10km/h##
 

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