Special relativity - velocity additions/energy

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The discussion revolves around problems related to special relativity, specifically focusing on velocity addition, energy calculations, and relativistic mass. The original poster presents multiple scenarios involving a spaceship, an electron, and protons, each requiring an understanding of relativistic effects and transformations.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of distances traveled by a spaceship as perceived by different observers, questioning the application of time dilation and the Lorentz transformation. There is also discussion about finding the relative velocity of an electron as observed by another moving observer and the implications for mass measurement. Additionally, participants express uncertainty about how to approach energy calculations for protons accelerated through a potential difference.

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Some participants have provided equations and suggestions for the calculations, while others express confusion regarding the application of these equations and the interpretation of results. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problems, particularly regarding the relative velocity of the electron and the energy of the protons.

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Participants note the complexity of applying relativistic equations and the potential for misunderstanding the relationships between velocity, mass, and energy. There is also mention of the need for clarity in unit conversions and the definitions of terms used in the equations.

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Homework Statement


1. A spaceship traveling away from Earth with a speed of 0.6c as measured by an observer on earth. The rocket sends back a light pulse back to Earth every 10 minutes as measured by a clock in the spaceship.
How far does the spaceship travel between each light pulses as measured by: a) the observer on Earth and b) someone on the spaceship?


2. An electron is moving at a constant velocity of 0.90c with respect to a lab observer X. Another observer Y is moving at a constant velocity of 0.50c with respect to X in a direction opposite to that of the electron in X's reference frame. What is the mass of the electron as measured be Y?

3. Protons are accelerated from rest through a potential difference of 8.0E8 V. Calculate as measured in the laboratory frame of reference after acceleration the proton's mass, velocity, momentum and total energy.


Homework Equations


Lorentz transformation?


The Attempt at a Solution


1. a) I first found time t passed on Earth between pulses and simply used d = (t)(0.6c). But it didn't work. And I haven't a clue how to do the second part.

The other ones I don't have a single clue.
 
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These equations might help:

[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex]

[tex]w'=\frac{w-v}{1-wv/c^2}[/tex]

If the observer in S sees an object moving along the x-axis at velocity w, then the observer in the S' system, a frame of reference moving at velocity v in the x direction with respect to S, will see the object moving with velocity w'.

[tex]M = \frac{E}{c^2}\![/tex]

[tex]m_{\mathrm{rel}} = { m \over \sqrt{1-{v^2\over c^2}}}[/tex]

[itex]m_{\mathrm{rel}}[/itex]=relativistic mass.

Oh and for part one you might want to convert .6c into m/s so you are using the same units. Might make it easier.

Edit:

Oh and:

[tex]\ t' = t-vx/c^2[/tex]
 
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hadroneater said:

The Attempt at a Solution


1. a) I first found time t passed on Earth between pulses and simply used d = (t)(0.6c). But it didn't work.
Why didn't it work? How did you find t?
 
Never mind, I figured it out.

But for the 2nd question, I'm confused. To find the mass, I first need to find the velocity of the electron relative to Y. How would I input the values into the equation? If Y is moving in opposite direction of the electron, then I should put its velocity as negative? And so U' = 0.9c - (-0.5c)/(1 - (-0.5c x 0.9c)/c^2)) = 1.4/1.45 = 0.97c
But the answer to the question says that the relative velocity is 0.73c...

As for the 3rd question, I really don't even know how to approach this. I was thinking that E = Vq = mc^2 but my answer was totally off. The answer is 3.1 x 10^-27 kg for mass.
 
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hadroneater said:
But for the 2nd question, I'm confused. To find the mass, I first need to find the velocity of the electron relative to Y. How would I input the values into the equation? If Y is moving in opposite direction of the electron, then I should put its velocity as negative? And so U' = 0.9c - (-0.5c)/(1 - (-0.5c x 0.9c)/c^2)) = 1.4/1.45 = 0.97c
But the answer to the question says that the relative velocity is 0.73c...
Your answer for the relative velocity is correct. An answer of 0.73c makes no sense, since you know the speed must be greater than 0.9c.

As for the 3rd question, I really don't even know how to approach this. I was thinking that E = Vq = mc^2 but my answer was totally off. The answer is 3.1 x 10^-27 kg for mass.
Vq represents an increase in the kinetic energy; it does not equal the total energy (or the rest energy).
 

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