Special Theory and String Theory.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of Special Theory of Relativity and its relationship with String Theory, particularly focusing on the dimensionality of objects as they approach the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and the interpretations of relativistic effects, as well as the philosophical implications of discussing impossible situations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Special Theory predicts an object would become 2-dimensional if accelerated to the speed of light, while others challenge this interpretation, emphasizing that such acceleration is impossible.
  • One participant argues that the squashing effect described by Special Theory is not a "real" effect but rather a coordinate-dependent observation, similar to viewing an object from different angles.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of discussing scenarios that involve reaching the speed of light, suggesting that it is akin to discussing time before the Big Bang.
  • There are comments about the implications of making physical assumptions in hypothetical scenarios, particularly regarding the acceleration of extended objects.
  • Philosophical analogies are introduced, questioning the nature of discussing concepts that may not have practical relevance or that challenge conventional understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of Special Theory and its implications for dimensionality and hypothetical scenarios. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of dimensionality and the unresolved nature of discussing hypothetical situations that violate the principles of relativity.

D.A.Peel
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Special Theory predicts that if we could accelerate an object to the speed of light, it would become 2 dimensional in the direction of motion. I'm not sure how many dimensions that String Theory predicts, but my question is this. Does String Theory have a satisfactory way of squeezing all their dimensions into 2?
 
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D.A.Peel said:
Special Theory predicts that if we could accelerate an object to the speed of light,
Anything could follow this hypothesis, and the conditional statement would be vacuously true -- special relativity says you cannot accelerate an object to the speed of light.

it would become 2 dimensional in the direction of motion.
What special relativity actually says is that if you assign coordinates to space-time in a certain kind of way, then if you increase the coordinate velocity of that object in a sufficiently uniform way, then the coordinate size of that object will appear squashed.

This squashing is not a "real" effect -- it's the same kind of effect you get if you were to look at a book from the side, and then rotate it. Initially, the book is thin, but if you rotate it until you're looking at its front, it becomes wider.
 
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D.A.Peel said:
Special Theory predicts that if we could accelerate an object to the speed of light, it would become 2 dimensional in the direction of motion. I'm not sure how many dimensions that String Theory predicts, but my question is this. Does String Theory have a satisfactory way of squeezing all their dimensions into 2?

No, "Special Theory" does not say anything like that! It says that you cannot accelerate an object to the speed of light. And, therefore, does not say anything about what "would" happen in an impossible situation.
 
Special Theory predicts that if we could accelerate an object to the speed of light. Emphasis on if.
I'm no expert but surely the Special Theory does predict that. I've always felt that the fact that nothing can reach the speed of light, due to the fact that it would take an infinite amount of energy to achieve was a bit of a cop out for such questions as mine. Its a bit like saying there is no point in talking about time before the big bang because before the big bang there was no time.
 
D.A.Peel said:
I've always felt that the fact that nothing can reach the speed of light, due to the fact that it would take an infinite amount of energy to achieve was a bit of a cop out for such questions as mine.
Well, too bad. It's your own fault for making statements that special relativity says are vacuous. :-p


And besides, you're making implicit physical assumptions that break down at this singularity anyways. For example, the assumption that it makes sense to speak about the acceleration of an extended object.
 
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D.A.Peel said:
Its a bit like saying there is no point in talking about time before the big bang because before the big bang there was no time.

It's funny that you think that answer is a cop out.

What color were your eyes before you were born?

Don't cop out.
 
What's north of the north pole? What's closer to a center of a sphere than the point at the center? (Those questions are better analogies to questions about a time before the big bang than you (D.A.) might think).
 

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