Specific Heat Capacity of aluminum rivets

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the specific heat capacity of aluminum rivets and their interaction with ice. The scenario describes aluminum rivets at a high temperature being placed into ice, prompting questions about the final temperature of the rivets and the amount of ice that will melt.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the heat transfer between the rivets and the ice, with some suggesting that the final temperature of the rivets will approach zero if the ice is sufficiently large. Others are seeking clarification on why the final temperature is considered to be zero and are questioning the assumptions behind the problem.

Discussion Status

There are multiple interpretations being explored regarding the final temperature of the rivets and the melting of ice. Some participants have provided guidance on relevant concepts such as specific heat capacity and latent heat, while others are still seeking clarity on the initial question.

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Participants have noted the absence of specific equations in the original problem statement, which may affect the discussion. Additionally, there is a focus on understanding the energy transfer process without reaching a definitive conclusion on the first part of the question.

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Homework Statement



Some aluminum rivets of total mass 170 g at 100°C are emptied into a hole in a large block of ice at 0°C'
a. What will be the final temperature of the rivets?
b. How much ice will melt?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Please help me answer that, i don't know how to solve it...
 
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Use the formula heat lost by aluminium rivet = heat gained by the ice.
 
1) If the block of ice is very big the final temperature of the rivets will be close to zero as all the energy in the hot rivets will be dissipated.

2) See the reply by rl.bhat and read up on the "specific heat capacity" of aluminium and the "Latent heat Capacity" of water/ice.
 
please explain to me why the answer in the first question is zero?
Thanks..
 
moimoi24 said:
please explain to me why the answer in the first question is zero?
Thanks..

You can look at it this way. When the aluminum rivets are emptied into that hole of ice, their temperature goes down to zero and during that process, energy is released which melts some of the ice. When the rivets are cooled down to zero, there is no further decrease in temperature and what you are left with is ice and the rivets at zero degrees.
 
i was able to solve the second, i got 45g using the formula given by rl.bhat, thanks a lot.. just the first, please...
 
Pranav-Arora said:
You can look at it this way. When the aluminum rivets are emptied into that hole of ice, their temperature goes down to zero and during that process, energy is released which melts some of the ice. When the rivets are cooled down to zero, there is no further decrease in temperature and what you are left with is ice and the rivets at zero degrees.

Thanks a lot... it really helps... God bless...
 
CWatters said:
1) If the block of ice is very big the final temperature of the rivets will be close to zero as all the energy in the hot rivets will be dissipated.

2) See the reply by rl.bhat and read up on the "specific heat capacity" of aluminium and the "Latent heat Capacity" of water/ice.

Thanks a lot...
 

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