Spectral Lines - What Determines Their Width?

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The discussion centers around the nature of spectral lines, specifically what determines their presence and width. Participants explore the underlying atomic processes that lead to the emission of light at specific frequencies and the implications of quantum mechanics on the observed spectral lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that spectral lines arise from electrons transitioning between allowed energy levels in atoms, emitting photons with frequencies determined by the energy difference between these levels.
  • One participant questions whether there is a slight spread in the frequency of emitted photons, referencing Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
  • Another participant confirms that there is indeed a narrow spread of frequencies for each atomic spectral line, referred to as the natural linewidth.
  • It is noted that the linewidth is not due to quantum mechanical effects, but rather a consequence of the relationship between the lifetime of the excited state and the frequency distribution, described through Fourier analysis.
  • Some participants emphasize that short lifetimes lead to broader frequency distributions, which is sometimes referred to as the "mathematical uncertainty principle."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of a frequency spread in spectral lines and the relationship between lifetime and linewidth. However, there is a distinction made regarding the cause of this spread, with some asserting it is not a quantum effect, leading to a nuanced discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of quantum mechanics on spectral line widths and the definitions of terms like "natural linewidth." The discussion also touches on the mathematical principles involved without fully resolving the complexities of these relationships.

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I don't really understand how we observe spectral lines of a particular element and why they are there? Can anyone help?

Thanks.
 
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The spectral lines appear because electrons in atoms are only allowed to occupy certain energy levels that are characteristic of the given element. i.e. Electrons in a given element can only have certain energies. When an atoms electrons are excited to higher energies they eventually fall back down to lower energy levels, giving off their energy as photons (light).

Now, the frequency of a photon given off by one of these electrons is determined by the following:

E=hf

where E is the energy of the photon and f is it's frequency.

Since the electrons are only able to give of specific amounts of energy (the energy differences between two allowed energy levels) the electrons will thus only be able to give off specific frequencies of light, those corresponding to transitions between allowed energy levels. These specific energies/frequencies are different for different elements and are the cause of different spectral lines for different atoms(where each line corresponds to a different frequency or wavelength).

Does this explanation make things any clearer?
 
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The spectral lines appear because electrons in atoms are only allowed to occupy certain energy levels that are characteristic of the given element. i.e. Electrons in a given element can only have certain energies. When an atoms electrons are excited to higher energies they eventually fall back down to lower energy levels, giving off their energy as photons (light).

Now, the frequency of a photon given off by one of these electrons is determined by the following:

E=hf

where E is the energy of the photon and f is it's frequency.

Since the electrons are only able to give of specific amounts of energy (the energy differences between two allowed energy levels) the electrons will thus only be able to give off specific frequencies of light, those corresponding to transitions between allowed energy levels. These specific energies/frequencies are different for different elements and are the cause of different spectral lines for different atoms(where each line corresponds to a different frequency or wavelength).

Does this explanation make things any clearer?

Understood, thanks a lot, that was a most helpful explanation.
 
If the emitted photon frequency was specific, i.e. exact, then the position of the photon would be anywhere in the Universe from Heisenberg's Uncertaintity Principle. (delta p * delta x = a constant).
Is there a slight spread in the frequency of the emitted photon in practice?
 
There is actually a narrow spread or distribution of frequencies for each atomic spectral line. The width of the line is referred to as the natural linewidth, so that the frequency (and hence energy) of emitted photons is not precisely known.
 
Note, however, that this is NOT due to QM effects.
The linewidth of a spectral line is the inverse of the lifetime of the state; this is a simply a consequence of basic Fourier analysis and the relation between time and frequency: If something is localized in time it has to be delocalized in frequency and vice versa (i.e. short lifetimes give broad frequency distributions); this is sometimes known as the "mathematical uncertainty principle" and has nothing as such to do with physics (it is also important when e.g. designing filters).
 

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